Some of you here are producers, me and other wants to be.
 
Even if we love Max work or hate him, we are all affected in some way.
For me, I loved him back in 97 and up to 07 or later. then I got musically red pilled.
I am anyways of that mind that we can learn from anyone.
And a producer as successful as Max Martin has much to teach us.
 
What do you love/hate about him and his works?
Is he the only one responsible for this sterile Poop, sorry, Pop  music today?

For the noobs….
 
Max Martin's Secret Songwriting Formula

 
Polar Music Max Martin masterclass interview

The comment from Simon Cowell is breathtakingly ironic. Between the two of them, they've ensured that we'll never hear a song like Bridge Over Troubled Waters, Wichita Lineman or Whiter Shade of Pale in 'the charts' again. Because of them, and a couple of others, pop music has become simple, formulaic and forgettable.
 
Makes me long for the days when I heard Squeeze, Del Amitri, XTC, Elvis Costello and Kate Bush on the radio, instead of the melisma drenched anodyne drivel that passes for pop these days.

I know right.

jamesg1213
The comment from Simon Cowell is breathtakingly ironic. Between the two of them, they've ensured that we'll never hear a song like Bridge Over Troubled Waters, Wichita Lineman or Whiter Shade of Pale in 'the charts' again. Because of them, and a couple of others, pop music has become simple, formulaic and forgettable.
 
Makes me long for the days when I heard Squeeze, Del Amitri, XTC, Elvis Costello and Kate Bush on the radio, instead of the melisma drenched anodyne drivel that passes for pop these days.

 
You sound bitter...

One thing tho, is that Max Matrin stuff is better than rapp the last 20 years. On both sides. In my book melody wil always trumph over percussion.

Jarsve
 
Some of you here are producers, me and other wants to be.

That's true I got the Pro Channel ...Hey Music World you better watch out
 

Jarsve


Even if we love Max work or hate him, we are all affected in some way.

Yeah I know . I'm surrounded by people everywhere I go that have their eyes glued to the screen of their cell phones while they listen and watch u tube videos of his songs with their ear buds on .
Normally I don't mind this yet I do have to confess that I get a little nervous when I'm driving my car or when I'm walking around in public around some of these people .
 

Jarsve

For me, I loved him back in 97 and up to 07 or later. then I got musically red pilled.

 
I must be living under a Rock with very strong musical filter fortifications . Honestly  I didn't know who he was until a couple of years ago.
 

Jarsve

A producer as successful as Max Martin has much to teach us.

 
Yes , it is true , Max Martin has much to teach us.
If you want to be popular learn from him and do what he does . If not it's OK ,  just be true to yourself .We are all different
 
Very few people listen to Music first with their ears only anymore ...
Nowadays in today's music world , songwriting and producing a good music performance is a dying art that may soon become extinct in the very near future.
Folks , it always wasn't this way . In today's world the musical landscape has changed to the point where even multi million dollar musical artists are putting their music out VIA social media to generate listens and interest .
No longer is it good enough to just write a great song and melody with Love to put out there for your fans and listeners ..
Musicians and song writers who do their music only with out any consideration for what their true market is  face the dangers of living a life time of anonymous interactions in the outskirts of the music bizznezz with no listeners or fans.  
( trust me I know this info  first hand ... to be totally honest here , I haven't learned my lesson )
 

Jarsve

What do you love/hate about him and his works?

 
Before I came in to this thread I did some research on Max , then I listened to a bunch of music I hadn't realized Max had done .
I don't know man , I don't want to say anything bad , but the dude sure knows what the hell he is doing ...
Every tune I checked out had something like 456, 789, 109 views on u tube ...
I didn't  hear or see any Old Long Grey Haired Hippy Guitar Players with a steel gaze of concentration trained on either their guitars fret-board or shoes clogging up the screen of my lap top while the music was playing ...
 
I saw was some Drop Dead Foxy Wimenz singing to the song . Some of these girls were certainly worthy of  serving as the sole inspiration behind  a  Guinness World Record attempt for The Game of One Manned Pocket Pool.
 
Lets see , we have a catchy tune that works it's way into your head whether you like it or not .
Then we have Video productions that rival what The Old School Hollywood Blockbusters were doing only a short time ago in what they did in staging and effects ...
Then there is the Foxy Eye Candy that not only looks good but can sing and dance .
 
Aye Carrumba how's a songwriter / musician gonna be able to compete or even get a listen up against that ?
 

Jarsve

Is he the only one responsible for this sterile Poop, sorry, Pop  music today?
 

Nope I hate to say this . We are all to blame Clearly Max fully understands his market .
He is only giving a majority of the listening public out there what they think they want
 
Oh $h*t  after coming in here and writing this post
 
 

 
 
Kenny

kennywtelejazz
I must be living under a Rock with very strong musical filter fortifications . Honestly  I didn't know who he was until a couple of years ago.

I’m from Norway and his from Sweden. I was interested in Producing and started reading the writhers in the album covers. That’s how I came by Mas and Deniz Pop (Rip). They who made tons of local music. And of course, Ace of Base.
 

kennywtelejazz
Very few people listen to Music first with their ears only anymore ...
Nowadays in today's music world , songwriting and producing a good music performance is a dying art that may soon become extinct in the very near future.
Folks , it always wasn't this way . In today's world the musical landscape has changed to the point where even multi million dollar musical artists are putting their music out VIA social media to generate listens and interest .
No longer is it good enough to just write a great song and melody with Love to put out there for your fans and listeners ..
Musicians and song writers who do their music only with out any consideration for what their true market is  face the dangers of living a life time of anonymous interactions in the outskirts of the music bizznezz with no listeners or fans. 
( trust me I know this info  first hand ... to be totally honest here , I haven't learned my lesson )

 
Me to. My friend Lars in the band Antestor has been screewed by labels and fans of other bands because they are Christian BM.
 

kennywtelejazz
Before I came in to this thread I did some research on Max , then I listened to a bunch of music I hadn't realized Max had done .
I don't know man , I don't want to say anything bad , but the dude sure knows what the hell he is doing ...
Every tune I checked out had something like 456, 789, 109 views on u tube ...
I didn't  hear or see any Old Long Grey Haired Hippy Guitar Players with a steel gaze of concentration trained on either their guitars fret-board or shoes clogging up the screen of my lap top while the music was playing ...
 
I saw was some Drop Dead Foxy Wimenz singing to the song . Some of these girls were certainly worthy of  serving as the sole inspiration behind  a  Guinness World Record attempt for The Game of One Manned Pocket Pool.
 
Lets see , we have a catchy tune that works it's way into your head whether you like it or not .
Then we have Video productions that rival what The Old School Hollywood Blockbusters were doing only a short time ago in what they did in staging and effects ...
Then there is the Foxy Eye Candy that not only looks good but can sing and dance .
 
Aye Carrumba how's a songwriter / musician gonna be able to compete or even get a listen up against that ?

 

Well, we can’t. But we have something genuine. I think the main problem with MAX Martin and their like, is that they overproduce everything to the max. I know that they have to on many of the singers, to make them sound descent. If you iron out the 70s album like they are today, you will kill them. Like quantizing of everything and full auto-tune on vocals.
 
For me, now I am really anxious about that when tracking and recording. I plan up, not to make it perfect so that it keeps the human feel. But for me I struggle with finding the line, where it is the right amount. Not talking about programmed Drums. But tracking instruments.
 
Many of my favorite albums were recorded in a short time back in the 80s and they have the live feeling, even tho they tracked to click.
 
But one positive thing about Max and other pop producers are that they are not over complicate the arrangements. And have some good rules for that. I bet Dream Theater have the same rules, as I remember an interview I saw with John Petrucci, and he stated that they were really concerned and working hard on this thing. Yes, there are time signature changes and so on, but not more than 1 new thing at a time. And max 3 to 4 important thing in a counterpoint at a time. Max certainly did not invent this. But he has it on his rules.

By the way. the last rules was not of John Petrucci but of Max Martin. I dont remember Johns rules, if ha had any. He was just concerned and stated that they could make the albums crazy advanced, but then no noe would listen to it. or something like that.

He sure is great at what he does, an amazing producer. I am not a fan of the music he produces but he knows the trade that is for sure. I wouldn't say that he is the cause of todays music, we are, the consumers of music. And to be honest, all the computers in music are too imo which might be ironic considering where we are having this conversation. All the imperfections, filth, nerve and energy is being quantized, stretched, auto tuned, looped and filtered to death making music rather dead.
 
Max Martin did not cause this, I think it was the inevitable path. You really cant make a living in music anymore, not in the same way. To a large extent music is a dying art, forget about  going back to how it was. It had its run and this is now where we are. I think it is much more likely it will go further down the computer path. I read about and listened to, AI creating music now based on formula and music examples. I mean I did not love it but it could easily pass for music composed by a human and this is where we are going. People dont care if its written by Lennon or Intel and why pay Lennon to write it when you can press a compose button on a PC for free. 
 
Good thing we might soon get all these chord tracks and auto tune features in Sonar ey? I mean, so we dont have to learn how to sing and play for real ... that would suck :) 
 
Enough good music out there to last several lifetimes though so I dont really care if most new stuff sucks.