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2016/05/21 03:00:10
soens
Like I said, I'm torn. Not sure if I need an onboard recorder but it would be nice if I ever take it mobile, tho it's only 48/24.

Thats good news about the spirit being 96/24. All I could find on it was 48/24. Soundcraft could do better on specs disclosure, as they all could.
2016/05/21 03:03:58
soens
(double post )
2016/05/21 03:20:46
jb101
Let me check the 96 thing. You have me doubting it now. 😊
2016/05/21 05:28:21
soens
According to the Spirit manual only the 2 way USB does 96 (44 thru 192) @16 & 24bit. The multitrack USB only does 44 & 48 @16 & 24bit.
 
My bad on their specs disclosure. It's more detailed than some.
 
I always dnld the manuals and pour over them before buying. Unfortunately I don't have a local source to check any of them out. Good thing for mail order 30 day returns.
2016/05/25 08:54:55
soens
The Spirit is probably built better but I decided to try the UFX1204. It sounds great and really like the built in 16 ch interface which goes up to 96/24 though the stereo returns only go up to 48/24. It has most of all the features I want & is small enough to go mobile if I want to. I'm hoping it will replace the MOTU audio express which I find confusing at times.
 
 
Besides, the Spirit isn't available yet that I've seen. It's probably still going to the year & 1/2 waiting listers.
2016/05/27 02:58:47
soens
jb101
Sir William
Sounds like a good buy. Can you use it as a control surface in Sonar? For example, can the desk faders control the channel faders in Sonar?

No



Neither does the Xenyx UFX1204. However, I learned that since it has a built in 16 track recorder, the transport keys can be set up to control a DAW's transport thru MIDI, which is something I guess.
2016/06/29 00:45:14
canieves
How is the sound quality when playing Sonar tracks?  Can you send each instrument sound from Sonar separately for each mixer channel?  Can I use each channel with Sonar insert and a microphone connected at the same time?
2016/06/29 06:59:19
jb101
canieves
How is the sound quality when playing Sonar tracks?  Can you send each instrument sound from Sonar separately for each mixer channel?  Can I use each channel with Sonar insert and a microphone connected at the same time?




Sound quality is great, really impressed - could do with a little more gain on the pre-amps, though.  The asymmetric EQ sounds lovely, as does everything else - Limiters, etc. It sounds truly nice when it is "pushed", too.
 
Yes, "you can send each instrument sound from Sonar separately for each mixer channel."
 
The return into the desk comes after the input and gain, and then travels down the channel, so does not affect the input stage.
 
It is really flexible.  The inputs and "returns" just show up as inputs and outputs in Sonar.  So you can have any channel's output sent to any track in Sonar, and any track in Sonar sent to any channel on the desk.
 
If I understand your last question correctly, then the answer is yes.  For example, if you had a microphone  plugged in to channel 1, you could set the input on any track to channel 1 (the signal would pass through the pre-amp, gain and dbx limiter, if it's on).  You could then either set that tracks output to channel 1, and the signal would return into the mixer and run through the EQ, Aux etc.   Alternatively you could set the output somewhere else, and set another track's output to channel !.  I am not sure when or why I would do this.
 
The possibilities are endless. When I first came across the mixer, I was worried that the set up would have too many limitations - no inserts, no direct outs, etc., but I was wrong.  The routing is fantastic, and almost every day I discover another possible set up.
 
When initially starting a piece, I tend to set the Master Out (in Sonar) to Channels 11/12, and the individual outs on the desk to any track in Sonar - I tend to route those tracks to the Master (via any busses in Sonar).  Here it works as just a great 12/14 input Audio Interface with nice pre-amps, and under 5 msecs of roundtrip latency.  It is as stable as a rock.
 
Later I can route a track in sonar back into the desk if I want to take advantage of the EQ, etc.
 
When mixing I can mix the track in Sonar, route the tracks back into the desk (or use busses if there are more tracks than channels) and use it just for analogue summing, and send the master out on the MTK back into Sonar to record the stereo "Master".
 
I can also choose to mix the piece live on the desk (the group tracks are great for this), and send that back into Sonar.
 
You can also route tracks back into the MTK to take advantage of the Lexicon FX.  I have not had the chance to explore these yet, though.
 
Sorry for the long, rambling essay of a reply.  I could write for days about the possibilities with the Aux channels, the grouping channels (very use, and all the normal advantages of using an analogue mixer.
 
Hope some of that helps.  feel free to ask anything else.  I highly recommend the MTK for the money.
 
 
2016/06/29 19:58:03
canieves
Thanks for the information.  One more question; Is the Soundcraft MTK sound board quality means that it can replace a Roland sound module for playing midi files from Sonar with the same instruments sound quality?
2016/07/01 19:55:38
soens
jb101
The return into the desk comes after the input and gain, and then travels down the channel, so does not affect the input stage.
 

 
Does that mean it can be mixed with the signal from the mixer's channel input or is the input muted?
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