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2017/09/14 17:12:54
azslow3
TerraSin
Rob[atSound-Rehab]
Have you ever tried to intercept the MIDI messages which the vs700 sends to see if all the buttons are still working i.e. sending messages? That's the first things I'd try to determine if it is a hardware problem or not. Hook up the vs700C via USB to exclude any issues the VS700R could have. Then take any MIDI tool that can listen to the ports and print the messages it receives and see what the non-functioning vs70 buttons send ... report back or PM me if I can help!
 
As said above - mine works fine with latest Sonar Platinum (apart from the master fader often staying at -INF which is something it did not not do 2 years ago, but apart from that all is OK used in every session I do)

Yup, all MIDI is sending and everything is working. I only use the C as I've retired the R so it's all hooked up via USB. Not sure why a lot of it isn't mapped properly.

The software was not changed for years, so if MIDI is really sending, it should work.
 
In Sonar Preferences / MIDI / Playback and recording, check that all types of messages are enabled in the Record section. There is a logical bug (in all Sonar versions), if some message type is disabled for recording, it is also disabled for Control Surfaces.
2017/09/15 14:13:36
TerraSin
I had a couple that weren't on there like Channel Aftertouch. I turned on Allow MIDI recording without an Armed Track and tried but got nothing different (which is fine because I hate having that setting on).
The result was now some of the access panel buttons work, but they aren't mapped to the proper things. Still no jog wheel or go to beginning/end on the transport.
 
I used MIDI-OX outside of Sonar to detect the midi messages. Not sure if something is getting caught up inside Sonar but I wouldn't think so.
 

2017/09/15 15:36:32
azslow3
Can you check what your Jogger is sending?
If I do not miss something, that should be "CC 60" messages.
Also note that Jogger has many different modes, may be it is working, but not the way you want it to work
2017/09/17 04:58:07
TerraSin
Interesting. I mixed them up as well. It's the Shuttle Dial rather than the Jog Wheel that isn't working. This is what I got from rotating it both ways twice. I'm not too familiar with this application so I'm assuming DATA1 is the CC value.
 

2017/09/17 08:52:34
azslow3
That are expected shuttle messages. So it should work. The question is still the same, are you sure controls are not working? F.e. with shuttle, in "normal" mode they it should do fast forward/rewind, like corresponding transport keys but with position dependent speed (so when return to the initial position, transport stop moving). But there are other modes.
If hardware is sending the messages and Sonar receives them, VS700 plug-in should work.
 
Just to be sure all these messages are "delivered": install AZ Controller and set its input to VS700, now operate controls which are "not working", if you see changes in the "Last MIDI event", everything is fine.
2017/09/17 16:59:27
TerraSin
Yup, getting the midi events registered inside AZ Controller as well so I'm even more confused.

 
Is there a template made up for the VS-700 I didn't see on the website already? Now that I have AZ Controller setup as my midi controller, nothing is responding since I have no preset loaded. Figured I'd find out if someone already made one for this instead of spending hours mapping everything manually.
2017/09/17 22:45:26
azslow3
Excuse me if that was confusing, AZ Controller was just to check a Control Surface Plug-in (any) really receive the information from your VS700. Just to be sure nothing is unintentionally filtered. There is no VS700 preset for AZ Controller, and it will take me many days to create one (AZ Controller is a GUI+Interpreter for its own programming language... creating preset with VS700 complexity is not "a mapping", it is programming... it is not easy to reproduce 1000+ lines of C++ code, the way original VS700 plug-in is written).
 
So I have the only idea left, please check which VS700 plug-in version you have. Re-install it. Even better manually replace DLL with one from Cakewalk GitHub: https://github.com/Cakewalk/Cakewalk-Control-Surface-SDK/tree/master/Bin/x64
 
There are some known problems with it, but nothing critical.
2017/09/18 08:39:20
Grent
Rob[atSound-Rehab]
I even extended its functionality by assigning features to unused key combinations via MIDI translator



Hi Rob!
Could you describe the steps you took to achieve that and give some examples?
Thank you very much in advance! :)
2017/09/18 15:53:29
TerraSin
azslow3So I have the only idea left, please check which VS700 plug-in version you have. Re-install it. Even better manually replace DLL with one from Cakewalk GitHub: https://github.com/Cakewalk/Cakewalk-Control-Surface-SDK/tree/master/Bin/x64
 
There are some known problems with it, but nothing critical.

 
Will give that a try later on. Thanks for the help.
2017/09/19 22:35:15
Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
Grent
Rob[atSound-Rehab]
I even extended its functionality by assigning features to unused key combinations via MIDI translator



Hi Rob!
Could you describe the steps you took to achieve that and give some examples?
Thank you very much in advance! :)


I'm sending the VS700 messages to BOME MIDI translator (not free but inexpensive), turn it into key stroke message that are bound in Sonar and have MIDI translator swallow the message ... whatever has no translation (i.e. all current vs700 cpmmands) are simply passed to Sonar how they are using a virtual MIDI cable (loop MIDI by erichsen http://www.tobias-erichse...oftware/loopmidi.html)
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