https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vfqkvwW2fs
Every Scene a painting
 
Normally these videos are just on editing, but this ones an interesting insight to the direction of film score.
 
And another, but it's a supplement to the above
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEfQ_9DIItI

Interesting! Grats.
 
Rocky

Both interesting programs.  Just goes to show how silly the composers were perfectly creating the temp tracks.  Not much originality there or creativity from the hired composer.  Fortunately I have only come up against temp tracks on a few occasions and not at that level obviously but they are still a pain.
 
But you know all you need to take from the temp track is the texture itself and not the music in any way.  The composer needs to challenge the director.  I have done that a few times and got my way.  There is nothing wrong with copying the textural setup of a temp track.  It can save you time.  The trick is to create totally different but better music that fits the scene and is more bold in nature using the same texture.  It is also better to work to a well cut scene not the other way around either. eg cutting vision to temp tracks.  That just looks cheesy.
 
Why don't they make it illegal to use other composers music as temp tracks.  It must be frustrating for the composers of the music that has been used as temp tracks as well.  The music was never intended for that purpose or scene.  Why not go back to doing excellent edits with no music and let the composers get on with what they do best.  The better ones I bet like Hans Zimmer probably dictate right from the start though that no temp track copying will take place.  You will accept what I write for this scene instead Got it!  That is how you handle it.
 
They are all going through the mediocre use of music right now. Because it all has to be done so fast and furious as they say.  But soon it will be back to big bold themes again.
 

Jeff Evans
But you know all you need to take from the temp track is the texture itself and not the music in any way.  The composer needs to challenge the director.  I have done that a few times and got my way.  There is nothing wrong with copying the textural setup of a temp track.  It can save you time.  The trick is to create totally different but better music that fits the scene and is more bold in nature using the same texture.  It is also better to work to a well cut scene not the other way around either. eg cutting vision to temp tracks.  That just looks cheesy.
 

I think it's not that simple. Sure you need to give an alternative, but I've walked into meetings with directors who state flat out that they love the temp score and will not have anything else...
 
I would not blame everything on the composer, the director has to take ultimate responsibility for things. He/she is the captain of the ship and needs to be the one with the final vision. But a good director will understand the need for dialogue just as a composer needs to understand why something was put somewhere.
 
As for temp scores... They're not that new of a phenomena: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtRU8cMp0Nk
 
The big problem is that the big studios play everything way too safe and end up with watered down versions of everything.
 
PS. about the original video. I usually enjoy Every Frame A Painting videos, but this one I think is slightly badly handled. You take main themes from big established pop culture saga's and compare them against insignificant parts of a younger saga. Why not then choose the bits from the Marvel sagas that try to have themes (they do try)? Sure the Williams themes are more prominent than the Marvel ones, but I think here the makers have made an unfair choices.
 
Also I think they keep forgetting that repetition is a big part of how we humans work. I bet that if you show someone who has had no contact with neither Star Wars universe nor the Marvel universe one movie from each once and then ask about the music, they will not remember much. A lot of the John Williams music has been on repetition for years and years. We tend to start liking new music when we are familiar with it.
 
Last note, I don't really think that the Marvel universe offers much to us musically, I'm just saying that the Every Frame A Painting video is a off the mark.

Jeff Evans
The better ones I bet like Hans Zimmer probably dictate right from the start though that no temp track copying will take place.  You will accept what I write for this scene instead Got it!  That is how you handle it.

One thing that is rarely spoken about Hans Zimmer is that he is probably the best public relations man alive at the moment. Also he's the star at the moment, the guy who's name puts the studio at rest, puts the director at rest. He's great at talking with directors.
 
But still he gets the temp score: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFswFI7fqxU
 
http://www.vulture.com/20...-films-hes-scored.html
"Long before Inception’s BRAMMMS became an omnipresent marketing tool, it was Zimmer’s Thin Red Line score that seemed to show up in every other trailer. “The thing about that piece is that it resonated with filmmakers,” says Zimmer. “I mean, I bet you more filmmakers saw Thin Red Line than normal folks! I remember I was working on Gladiator and Ridley Scott said he was going to see Thin Red Line, and I told him, 'There's a piece of music in there which you'll really like, and I do not want you to come back and temp this into Gladiator.' He promised me he wouldn't, and then the next morning when I went to work, it was all over that movie. I said, 'Ridley, you promised me!' and he said, 'Yeah, but it's really good!'” "

I could not think of anything better than hearing your own music as a temp track! All you have to do is develop the idea and make it a little bigger or better maybe!
 
Replicating very closely other composers temp tracks is just not as much fun as coming up with an idea that is just as good but different.
 
I enjoyed some of the Marvel underscores too. I think it was too easy to just remove them in that example. They still added a feeling to the scene and then you know on one level it is working very well. There is a lot of interesting things also going on another level in the more underscore driven mode we are in today too. Maybe some are not hearing that.
 
 
 

I too find that modern film music has quite a bit to offer and feel that the view of a great memorable theme is always needed is a kind of an elitist approach from Every Frame A Painting. Not everything has to be memorable in the way they ask it to be. My point for this is from Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.
 
In the final battle when Wonder Woman enters the music is just superb: https://youtu.be/0VxQHdDDCO4?t=30s
Had it had a more memorable classic theme it would not have had the same raw primal impact as it does now. But ask anyone on the street to hum it, I bet they're not going to be able to.
 
And when praising John Williams you could turn the table and ask could he have written say "Stairway to Heaven"? I'm betting no, since that style of writing is something he's not comfortable with.
 
The more I think about that Every Frame A Painting video, the more I feel like they are holding on a to vision of something that never really was quite real. They take a singular approach and don't consider other possibilities.

Oh and everytime you play a game of lets change the music in this one, as Every Frame A Painting did with the Marvel scenes, I'll have to put this example up. I present the Auralnauts playing to great comedy value: Star Wars Minus Williams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj-GZJhfBmI
 

I like this explanation best.  Temp tracks are apparently not the reason for Marvel's music.
 
It's all Hans Zimmer's fault.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcXsH88XlKM

abacab
I like this explanation best.  Temp tracks are apparently not the reason for Marvel's music.
 
It's all Hans Zimmer's fault.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcXsH88XlKM

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