2016/07/14 14:42:27
Maarkr
I have a NOT-high-end lap steel that I picked up for a project.  I put new strings on it in open E.  I'm trying to get a nice clean country steel sound.  Obviously, some samples that I have of pro pedal sounds are so clear and well-made, and I can't come close to replicate it.  I have Amplitube 3, Waves GTR, Guitar Rig 5 (not the full one), and of course Sonar Pro w TH3.  I think the pickups on the lap steel introduce enough distortion that I just can't get there from here.
 
Anyone got any setups for this thing?  
2016/07/14 18:13:36
mesayre
I'm only a casual lap steel player, but I'm able to get results I'm pretty happy with using an old Oahu lap steel. 
 
I found these videos helpful:
http://www.howcast.com/videos/512272-best-effects-to-use-pedal-steel-guitar/
 
I think a delay can also be helpful in rounding out the sound without having to apply a lot of gain. Also, tasteful spring reverb. If you're distorting at the pickup, mess with the guitar's volume perhaps?
 
Amp-wise, I end up going through my Fender Mustang most of the time, because it's got some late 50's fender models, a Silvertone model, and a nice sparkly Princeton that seem to cover the bases for me. I like the the Princeton with a little spring verb. I haven't tried the Tweed model in TH3 (I've yet to upgrade), but that might work. 
 
2016/07/14 20:37:30
ampfixer
I've had a few lap steels and for that real clean sound I find that very heavy flat wound strings are important. For more raunchy blues the round wounds seem better because the slide and you fingers seem to generate more noise.
I had trouble getting the right strings locally so I bought them at juststrings.com.
2016/07/15 07:53:04
patm300e
Try asking fireberd about his settings.  He is a steel player...
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Profile/45769/
 
2016/07/15 12:29:05
tlw
You won't get a clean sound out of an amplifier if the signal you are sending into it is high enough to push it into clipping, or if the gain the amp is set to is high enough to push it into clipping.

So for a clean sound you need to be using an amplifier that has a lot of headroom before it clips and make sure you aren't sending it such a hot signal that you use up all the clean headroom. The pickups are a factor, but the instrument's volume control, how hard you pick and amp and effects settings make more of a difference. You can play distorted heavy metal on a low-output Stratocaster and clean jazz on a high-output ESP. Lapsteels tend to have quite high output pickpups, at least my two do. This is because the strings are usually a long way above the pickup so it needs to have more output to compensate, and also to give a usable output level as the string vibrations get less to add more sustain

For a clean sound you could try this.

For the amp pick a Fender, preferably Blackface. Try a Princeton or a Twin Reverb. In e.g. Amplitube pay close attention to the plugin input gain. Keep it out of the red. Keep the amp model volume and tone controls fairly low, especially the volume. That will give a clean sound, but one probably lacking in sustain. A mildly cranked Twin or similar might get you a clean enough sound with enough sustain on it's own if you get the settings exactly right.

Otherwise, to get the sustain back add a compressor in front of the amp (between steel and amp). Either something like a Dynacomp pedal or a full-blown VST one. Keep the attack short, release can be fairly long. You need it to be adding a few dB as the signal from the steel starts to drop off. Watch how much gain it adds, too much will overdrive the amp.

Then add spring reverb.

Or get a small valve combo, run it at a low gain and volume setting where it's clean and put a microphone in front of it. Add a pedal compressor if needed and there you go. Can be far easier than trying to get the same result out of software.

Quite a lot of clean country recorded pedal steel is done by plugging the steel into the desk, no amp, then compressing and eqing it. Or mixing a direct signal with one from an amp. Might be worth a try as well.

Edited to add - presets aren't really much use in this kind of situation, unless the preset was created using the same instrument as you, the same instrument settings as you, played in the way you play by someone with the same touch as you and the oreset was created by someone aware of and aiming for the sound in your head. :-)
2016/07/18 08:55:27
Guitarhacker
Yep... steel guitar and lap steel pickups should be built to give you a clean output. 
 
Try turning the volume control (physically) on the steel down a bit.  I've noticed on my guitar, doing that cleans up the sound a bit as well.  Wide open, you get the full effect of the pickup and overdrive is very possible.  
 
Also look at the amp or model you are using. experiment with a few. Look for the very simple and clean models to work with the LS.
 
Typically, you want crystal clean sound.
2016/07/22 03:06:39
jerrydf
I've also found that using a lap steel for a country steel emulation, the eq needs thickening, e.g. have a gentle lift, maybe around 1Khz (bearing in mind how much headroom you have for that peak before peaking sets in)

edit - added: I have often wondered, in a rash moment what a Lollar pickup would sound like in the lap, as used in Ry Cooder's first Coodercaster.

jdf
2016/07/22 22:31:44
Maarkr
Thanks... it's getting there.  I turned down the volume control, ran the signal thru an Amplitube Fender Twin Reverb (forgot which patch), put in a fender compressor pedal and sent it thru a spring reverb.   Adjusted the eq a bit listening with the mix and it seems good to me.
Now I need a good overdriven sound without sounding gain/distortion-tacky.
2016/08/13 14:26:47
fireberd
For pedal steel, everything is "squeaky clean".  Sometimes I run from Steel to volume pedal to POD X3 (clean preamp) direct to board.  Sometimes I go to the board with a SansAmp unit.  Occasionally I either run from the XLR out on my Carvin BX500 amp or I'll mic it with an SM57.  I recently got a Focusrite ISA One preamp, I'll have to give that a shot the next time I do any steel.
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