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2018/06/13 17:53:16
bluzdog
Grem
I agree with you Tim. And I love AR Plates so much!! I really don't want to do without.
 
If it goes like Dan is suggesting I'll accept it works that way. But I'm not really sure I am ok with paying for the same plugins again in 2-3 yrs. Because that's the way I look at it. My rent will be due in 2-3 yrs.
 
I am going to have to think about this one. 
 
Make no mistake and let me be clear, I think Waves is some of the best out there. Not sure I am liking this WUP thing. Didn't have to deal with it till now.
 
And if time goes on and it becomes clear that I will be able to keep using my V9 plugs till the cows come home, then everything is fine!! I'm a happy camper! : )


You don't have to WUP at all. I only have a current WUP because I upgraded to Platinum from Gold. Each major version change adds a couple of plugins to some of the bundles. I have never WUPPed single plugs.
 
Rocky
2018/06/13 19:54:52
dcumpian
Grem
I agree with you Tim. And I love AR Plates so much!! I really don't want to do without.
 
If it goes like Dan is suggesting I'll accept it works that way. But I'm not really sure I am ok with paying for the same plugins again in 2-3 yrs. Because that's the way I look at it. My rent will be due in 2-3 yrs.
 
I am going to have to think about this one. 
 
Make no mistake and let me be clear, I think Waves is some of the best out there. Not sure I am liking this WUP thing. Didn't have to deal with it till now.
 
And if time goes on and it becomes clear that I will be able to keep using my V9 plugs till the cows come home, then everything is fine!! I'm a happy camper! : )




You can keep using v9 for a long, long time. Eventually though, something will force your hand, like iLok authorizations not supporting v9, or you buy a plugin that requires v10. Keep in mind, when Waves went from v8 to v9, that was also the big push to VST3 and 64bit plugins. You are likely good on v9 for at least another year, maybe two.
 
Dan
 
2018/06/13 21:55:25
Grem
Rocky, I just went from Gold to Platinum about two three months ago so some of my plugins are still WUP'd. And as I understand it, that's all I need to update all my plugins to V10.
 
And DAn you are correct in that at some point something will break V9. I was just hoping it wasn't Waves doing it as a way to make me pay to use. : (
2018/06/13 22:51:00
RSMCGUITAR
Grem
Rocky, I just went from Gold to Platinum about two three months ago so some of my plugins are still WUP'd. And as I understand it, that's all I need to update all my plugins to V10.
 


I don't think this is correct.
2018/06/14 00:29:43
Jeff Evans
I have bought 25 Waves plugins over a longish period of time.  2 of them have now run out of free updates.  (the other 23 are still getting free updates)  Firstly on the subject of updating or buying plans.  Waves told me that you don't have to do anything at all in fact.  All your existing plugins will continue to work forever.  But those two for example I will need to pay for in order to update. (the others will eventually run out one by one)  You can buy individual updates as well.  If you are actually happy with how they sound, you don't have to update them at all. There is going to be no big change here.
 
In terms of V10. I can upgrade everything to V10. Except (right now) those same two plugs will be on V10 but they will not be able to be updated from this point on, same as before. Unless I buy individual updates or a plan to cover them.
 
You don't even have to have to upgrade to V10 either. You can just leave everything the way it is, let all of them come out of free updates over time, but still use them and they will sound and work fine. 
 
Grem is wrong here. Upgrading mine to V10 now will still allow free V10 updates (for the remaining 23) The two that were not free under V9 will still need to paid for under V10. Others will come out of free updates one by one.  
 
Grand Rhapsody was the very first one I bought. So it is one updates that needs to be paid for.  But seriously it sounds pretty damn good right now so you have to ask yourself what is any update going to do for it. 
 
If an update though does add some serious improvements and features then just buy the single update for it. Wait and see what the updates actually do. 
 
Update
 
Just updated everything from V9 to V10. All went fine except now the two plugins that were out of date are gone now. The reason they are gone is because during the V10 install I was asked to have all V9 components removed, I said YES and in so doing those two plugins are now not there.  I will obviously need to buy the single V10 updates for those plugins. 
 
Further Update
 
So as I thought just had to buy the two V10 licences that were still on V9 and hence not visible in my case. They are around $10 each I think, so it was no big deal. So yes they are back. One of them for me was Grand Rhapsody. NOTE. The samples were never touched or removed etc. Once updated to V10 all was back to normal with that piano. Samples do not have to be downloaded again. 
 
Moral of the Story
 
If you have got a bunch of V9 plugins right now that are still getting free updates and you want to go to V10. Do so. No worries there. If some of your current plugins are V9 plugins that are not free updates anymore, then there are three things you can do:
 
1) Pay for the V10 licenses for each of them. Not a bad way if its only one or two or so. 
 
2) Pay for a full update plan which is capped and that will cover all of them for a year. (not sure when that starts, I imagine from the moment you do it, so if you have just bought quite a few recently, then they may remain free for a while yet! The capped plan works well once you go over 20 say that need updating. Do the math)
 
3) When you do your V10 conversion for your current free update V9 plugins when you get asked if you want to delete all the V9 stuff simply say NO. You will end up with a bunch of V10 plugins and their updates that were free before and will still continue to work and be free now. And your V9 plugins should still be there except they wont be updatable now until you move them up into V10.
 
It is complex! I was almost afraid of booting up Waves Central. Its OK though and the step up to V10 is painless. By the way if you do convert to V10 it is easy to see in your account which (no longer free) ones are still on V9. 
 
And there is More!
It cost me $25 (US) to update the two plugs. So Waves have just given me a free voucher to the same value.  It means I could jump another $29 special I guess for only $4! Nice of them. Except after a while it too will have to be covered somehow for updates. 
 
 
2018/06/14 11:59:54
bluzdog
Jeff Evans
 
 
 
 
And there is More!
It cost me $25 (US) to update the two plugs. So Waves have just given me a free voucher to the same value.  It means I could jump another $29 special I guess for only $4! Nice of them. Except after a while it too will have to be covered somehow for updates. 
 
 




The Waves voucher it was good for up to 50% toward a bundle or 25% toward a single plugin. I would prefer your way.
 
Rocky
2018/06/14 15:29:43
Grem
Thanks for clearing tjat up Jeff.

As for when the WUP will start, if am not mistaken it will start when the last WUP expires.

IOW, I just bought a plugin last week. I got WUP on it till next year. If I WUP all my plugins today, that WUP plan would not start till next year when that otherplugin I bought last week runs out.

Bapu learned this from keeping his Mercury bundle updated.
2018/06/14 17:16:24
Starise
I'll reiterate what Grem said. Thanks for the update on the updates.
The bottom line IMHO is Waves needs an income stream and they need to keep their products up to date to stay with new developments. They also need to fix bugs if they exist.
They are tackling both issues with V10.
 
Since I don't foresee any issues with a 64 bit Waves Plugin in the near future I doubt I'll do anything immediately.
Before this announcement I  updated my Waves plugins to the most recent versions.
I  contemplated buying Gold. The only reason I didn't is probably 75% of that package would have been redundant to other plugins I already own. In this case I think those who own Gold/Platinum might benefit the most from WUP.
 
2018/06/14 18:37:16
Grem
Looking around Waves website, and it wasn't easy to find, but they have WC/installers for Legacy Versions all the way back to V6. That eases my mind a lot.
2018/06/14 19:00:26
RSMCGUITAR
I think, without some sort of development roadmap or list of actual fixes, they're asking you to pay for a mystery box.
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