2018/06/07 17:53:46
bayoubill
Does anyone know where I can find a prescription for something like Dammitol? I think it cures or takes away all the aches and pains of old age of which I Am suffering very much from! Man! I Am older than Beepster! Now I Am depressed again. 
I get up and start practicing every morning and that's when the artitus starts up. It's interfearing with my playing! Dammitol!
2018/06/07 18:17:59
Voda La Void
Fukitol, that's what you need.  That's the good stuff.  dammitol is like the millennial version, all safe and feckless.  
2018/06/07 18:56:56
bayoubill
WOW Thanks Tim!!!! all safe and feckless I can get anywhere
 bigly feckful and beautiful Fukitol it is!!!!!
2018/06/08 00:56:55
webbs hill studio
Voltaren Gel (topical ibuprofen) does it for me before a gig-not sure about daily use and toxicity but has to be better than ingesting it.Fukitol is good in theory but pain sucks...
good luck old fella.
2018/06/08 22:47:39
JohnKenn
Webs,
 
Just a slight correction. Voltaren topical is a sodium salt of diclofenac. Ibuprofen is different does shares a similar mechanism of action.
 
You should not have excess side effects from the topical over sensitivity at the application site. Will not likely eat your stomach and gut up as much as the pill form.
One concern for any of the "NSAID" pain relievers goes beyond gut erosion. They knock out a pathway that reduces inflammation and the sense of pain but also knock out an analog chemical that protects the heart from free radical damage over the long haul.
The stuff is hard on the heart. These chemicals are ideally used for only as long as needed to treat an acute condition, though many of us need them for longer. There are safer oral agents in the family as well. Can advise.
 
Another thing most don't know about when using these treatments for old age wear and tear arthritis is that they may offer some pain relief but will actually make the arthritis progress more rapidly. Can explain this more if you need, but Tylenol would be a better choice if you don't drink a bunch of beer with it.
 
Best assault on old age osteoarthritis is the vet medicine glucosamine with chondroiten if you get started early enough from the evolution of pain. We have megabux designer pills and injections that can slow down or take the pain down with osteo, but the relief from the vet pill is because the joint is becoming younger and repairing over time. Takes awhile to kick in, but the relief is real. Can give you more info about this as well if you want.
 
Probably older than about any of you here and have as well relied on 45 years yoga practice to maintain flexibility.
 
May you guys get pain free.
 
John
 
uh... where did I put my bottle of Fukitol
 
2018/06/09 14:32:27
Leadfoot
John, I was prescribed Meloxicam. Is it bad news as well? And just to remain on topic, I do occasionally reach for a fukitol, and sometimes fukemol.
2018/06/09 15:29:36
JohnKenn
Leadfoot,
 
Meloxicam is good stuff. It is one of the safest of the "NSAID" family, drugs that work like aspirin and with the indication for longer term use in osteoarthritis. Doesn't mean long term use is 100 percent safe because of the cardiac involvement but has a good safety profile. I assume you are taking either 7.5 or 15 mg once daily.
On the run but will get back with some information on meloxicam and arthritis that I hope you and others will find interesting and useful.
 
John
 
2018/06/09 17:02:32
bayoubill
I take Meloxicam for the arthritis in my thumb joints. Actually works  
2018/06/09 17:21:41
Leadfoot
JohnKenn
Leadfoot,
 
Meloxicam is good stuff. It is one of the safest of the "NSAID" family, drugs that work like aspirin and with the indication for longer term use in osteoarthritis. Doesn't mean long term use is 100 percent safe because of the cardiac involvement but has a good safety profile. I assume you are taking either 7.5 or 15 mg once daily.
On the run but will get back with some information on meloxicam and arthritis that I hope you and others will find interesting and useful.
 
John
 

Thanks John. I appreciate it. I'm taking the 15mg once daily. Good to know it's one of the better NSAIDS.

@bayoubill
It does help. I crushed both heels and ankles about 25 years ago, and have some hip issues as well. It takes some of the edge off the pain. I wish I could take it more than once a day though!
2018/06/10 00:25:03
JohnKenn
Leadfoot, Guys,
 
My 2 cents on arthritis, meloxicam, life in general… Will toss in some chemical names if anyone wants to explore further thru Wikipedia or the like...
 
I dunno how many types of arthritis there are but they can broadly be broken down to the rheumatoid type or the osteo arthritic complaint. Both are debilitating but the rheumatoid spins are way worse. These are auto immune responses where the body is getting maladaptive signals to destroy itself. The osteo stuff is plain old age wear and tear. Not much more fun as far as pain, but easier to treat especially if caught early on. Think most of us with the condition here are just falling apart from the osteo variety. Thank god for that if nature gave you a choice.
 
The rheumatoid variety can attack everything, take out your lungs, kidneys liver, not just joints. If you can suppress the body’s immune system, kinda like a chemically induced HIV, the symptoms go down with various paybacks depending on the treatment. The NSAID drugs with properties against the “bad” inflammatory cycle has a rational place in rheumatoid therapy if they work in the milder stage of progression. NSAIDs means non steroidal anti inflammatory drugs. They may be chemically dissimilar but share much of the workings of plain aspirin.
 
There’s good and bad inflammation going on inside us. Bad inflammation like a swollen sprained ankle is partly mediated thru a cell surface enzyme called cyclooxygenase-2 or COX-2 (just like the TV commercial says...the one with the geriatric fossil riding a skateboard beside his grandson...). Things like aspirin help inhibit down the road progression to inflammatory mediators and pain signaling by knocking out the involvement of the COX enzymes. Endpoint is some temporary relief from pain and swelling. Really cool for the short term acute crisis.
 
Problem is that there’s also COX-1 which maintains healthy inflammation. Aspirin is the prototype of a non specific inhibitor taking down COX-1 and COX-2 without differentiating.
 
The good inflammation path flogs the stomach and intestines to produce the slimy mucus coating to protect against stomach acid. It also beneficially irritates micro circulation to stay dilated and let blood flow to small and restricted areas. This is critical to the approach of controlling arthritis pain without making osteo arthritis worse because of the treatment choice.
 
You’ve read where a football star sprains his groin and eats a bottle of ibuprofen and wakes up needing a kidney transplant. COX-1 knocked out, blood supply to the kidney micro circulation is cut out and the kidneys rot out overnight.
 
Cut down the mucus covering in the alimentary track and the acid looks at the exposed underlying flesh like a piece of meat. Now you got ulcers.
 
Over time all the NSAIDS, even the safe ones interfere with a common route to produce and set up a balance between prostacyclin and thromboxane. Multi duty stuff dealing with clot formation and protection of the heart from peroxide, ionic, free radical damage. Means if you are on respectable doses of an NSAID, your risk for stroke is increased. Your heart is aging through time faster.
 
Everything in medicine is a risk versus benefit analysis. You take a pill and it does something good at the expense of the bad side effects. The doc has to question whether the benefit you get is worth the risk you are subjected to when you take his prescription to your local Walmart.
 
Want to continue with some thoughts on meloxicam and what you may be using as well for old age arthritis. Some warnings and common sense advice. My better half is telling me to get the hell off the internet and help her weed out the front yard.
 
Be back.
 
John
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