Speaking of the big C mentioned in the video. How long are we going to get hung up primarily on the rock band as the main accepted unit in popular music? I see this as restrictive. One drummer, a rhythm guitarist, a lead player, a bass player,keyboardist, a vocalist and there it is.
 
Others have built bands with two drummers multiple guitars etc. A variation of the same old recipe which really isn't very old if you look at it in a historical context. I don't see the DJ craze as jumping outside of the box. I see it as almost a more restrictive box or a different box.
 
It's like an over simplified orchestra, everyone has their part and the music is all along the same basic recipe.
 
When you say the word band to anyone who is 30 or older, the image is the one I mentioned above. It isn't bad. Neither does it break any molds. It's all been done and we're just re doing it. I personally get tired of hearing basic pop/rock music all the time, but that's me. I still have a variax hanging on my wall I seldom pick up because everything I do on it sounds the same. Probably the player which I'm willing to accept.

Starise, maybe you answered this question with the condition "popular music"?  Since we know pop music is getting more homogenized and generic, it does seem consistent that the classic band format would be just as rinse and repeat as the rest of it.  
 
I asked questions, years ago, why does popular music insist on drums and bass supporting guitars and singers?  Why do we have guitar solos, but not drum solos and bass solos?  Why is it that the guitarist is the only one that is invited and somewhat expected to be the "virtuoso" of the band, while drummers and bassists are to stay out of the way and be quietly amazing without anyone noticing except other drummers and bassists?  Why is it laudable to be awesome at staying out of the way and not really being noticed?  
 
I decided that answer was because 'popular'.  Popular = commercial, hyper production, fast food music.  Popular is to music what McDonald's is to cheeseburgers.  Pop music sounds to me like a stripped down joke of corporate sales psychology.  It's what car salesmen would do if you asked them to listen to good music and create a popular version for high sales numbers.  
 
And, yes, it hurts my soul that the Beatles were pop rock.  Something changed between then and now...or maybe it was always a hyper commercialized art form, and it has simply evolved.  I don't know.  But pop just turns my stomach anymore.  Give me metal...progressive metal baby!  

We put these young people under out wing in a daddy complex way too. We see them as the children we newer got. And if we don’t have kids, its even a stronger sensation.
 
The Japanese even have a industry built on this. The “Idol” stars. Where teens became stars and “daddys” (men in their 30-50) are big fans. It is dangerous to judge too, because it happens to us when we se this kids on YouTube. And to confess my part, I was a big fan of Babymetal. I have no kids of my own and it is a good feeling to have this kids and care for them. It is also really creepy! But mind you, ITS NOT ABOUT SEX! It's just about not being a dad and wish you were, or being a dad, but find it frustrating that you cant see you own kids often enough.
 
So, the sad story is that as a grown man, you can’t compete with a teen girl on YouTube. That is just how it is. But the teen girl in the video, might look up to you as a roll model. And how you act as a roll model is up to you. But it is dangerous to compare ourselves to these kids. Because we are not the same.
 

 

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Starise, maybe you answered this question with the condition "popular music"?  Since we know pop music is getting more homogenized and generic, it does seem consistent that the classic band format would be just as rinse and repeat as the rest of it.  
 
I asked questions, years ago, why does popular music insist on drums and bass supporting guitars and singers?  Why do we have guitar solos, but not drum solos and bass solos?  Why is it that the guitarist is the only one that is invited and somewhat expected to be the "virtuoso" of the band, while drummers and bassists are to stay out of the way and be quietly amazing without anyone noticing except other drummers and bassists?  Why is it laudable to be awesome at staying out of the way and not really being noticed?  
 
I decided that answer was because 'popular'.  Popular = commercial, hyper production, fast food music.  Popular is to music what McDonald's is to cheeseburgers.  Pop music sounds to me like a stripped down joke of corporate sales psychology.  It's what car salesmen would do if you asked them to listen to good music and create a popular version for high sales numbers.  
 
And, yes, it hurts my soul that the Beatles were pop rock.  Something changed between then and now...or maybe it was always a hyper commercialized art form, and it has simply evolved.  I don't know.  But pop just turns my stomach anymore.  Give me metal...progressive metal baby!  

Pop music is made by 2 people. #1 Max Martin. #2 Lukasz Gottwald.

 
A little bitt more advanced kind than the normal pop song structure:

Another perspective that is very important is that these kids are our feature of live music. So we should not bring them down at any cost. Many people say that music is dead and only programed, rap, techno synth-based music is to survive. But tis kids prove them wrong. These kids don’t bring up playing through Katy Perry’s California Girl as their biggest moment. They bring up some great music that is hard to play.

"Rage to master" is a very good term! As people age, the reduction in capacity to learn is exacerbated by the "I already know it" syndrome (among other factors). Maintaining this "rage to master" throughout life is not common.

Jarsve
Another perspective that is very important is that these kids are our feature of live music. So we should not bring them down at any cost. Many people say that music is dead and only programed, rap, techno synth-based music is to survive. But tis kids prove them wrong. These kids don’t bring up playing through Katy Perry’s California Girl as their biggest moment. They bring up some great music that is hard to play.

 Yep.
People generally tend to generalize entire groups of people. Sorry I took this subject slightly off base in talking about the creative direction. The big C is one thing these kids don't have ( yes this is also a generalization). There may be a few. For the most part though they are very skilled and good at copying. Any one of them would have probably excelled at violin or piano if that had been their instrument as copycats.
 
It's the one Jimi Henrdix that shows up very occasionally and does something totally different. If these genre were boring to everyone they would have died long ago. The masses like it. 
 
I dunno, my general lack of interest in the most common music formats might have something to do with hearing it all thousands of times. To those kids it's still new and exciting. Being a musician means we know what makes it tick even if it's only on a superficial level. Like eating your favorite food every day of the week. Pretty soon you get tired of it. Some music seems to be more representative of other things and brings out emotions for the listener. The dopamine effect. I was into metal big time. I just gradually went away from it. I believe I'm the type that doesn't like too much of the same thing for too long or maybe it wasn't in me deep enough. I still respect it as a genre.  I think we can say it  has a lot of predictability in it. What doesn't right?
 
Maybe we're all creatures of habit and we pass it on to our little ones. No one has the same DNA. No two musicians are exactly the same, so even though we pass it on it gets changed over time.
 
 

I listen and watch old black and white performance s of folks who are revered. Some are young and the technical mastery is truly amazing. There's academic success and real world success. What's missing is spirit. You can't master an instrument lacking spirit. Wink,wink,nudge nudge.

Starise

Jarsve
Another perspective that is very important is that these kids are our feature of live music. So we should not bring them down at any cost. Many people say that music is dead and only programed, rap, techno synth-based music is to survive. But tis kids prove them wrong. These kids don’t bring up playing through Katy Perry’s California Girl as their biggest moment. They bring up some great music that is hard to play.

Yep.
People generally tend to generalize entire groups of people. Sorry I took this subject slightly off base in talking about the creative direction. The big C is one thing these kids don't have ( yes this is also a generalization). There may be a few. For the most part though they are very skilled and good at copying. Any one of them would have probably excelled at violin or piano if that had been their instrument as copycats.
 
It's the one Jimi Henrdix that shows up very occasionally and does something totally different. If these genre were boring to everyone they would have died long ago. The masses like it. 
 
I dunno, my general lack of interest in the most common music formats might have something to do with hearing it all thousands of times. To those kids it's still new and exciting. Being a musician means we know what makes it tick even if it's only on a superficial level. Like eating your favorite food every day of the week. Pretty soon you get tired of it. Some music seems to be more representative of other things and brings out emotions for the listener. The dopamine effect. I was into metal big time. I just gradually went away from it. I believe I'm the type that doesn't like too much of the same thing for too long or maybe it wasn't in me deep enough. I still respect it as a genre.  I think we can say it  has a lot of predictability in it. What doesn't right?
 
Maybe we're all creatures of habit and we pass it on to our little ones. No one has the same DNA. No two musicians are exactly the same, so even though we pass it on it gets changed over time.
 
 

Well. If you look at orchestra musicians, there is no room for putting in your personal flair into the playing. You must play the same as the rest and take the directions of the conductor. If not, you’re not going to last long. And that is not a bad thing at all. So, there is room for copyist/those who take direction best. Everyone can’t be the composer, someone must play the pieces too. Some are good at being virtuosos, but if everyone was one and couldn’t copy and be great at take directions, we wouldn’t have any great orchestras. And that is good. So, to think that one must be everything is raising the bar too high for me.
 
And I think there is room for people who are not the at the top too. And watching these kids or grown up that is jaw dropping is great, but great music doesn’t need the best musicians. In my opinion.

Jarsve, I am with you. I think it makes me feel better about my level of playing to say they don't have something I have. I'm being positive about what we have that they don't have...so don't throw away that guitar....well ok...if it's an air guitar then maybe. If it isn't let me make you an offer on it first 
 
Most of them only play one instrument while many adults are good at multiple instruments. Just sayin'.
 
It's all good. Gets them out of the video games. They can do something with what they're learning unless Metal goes the way of the dinosaur.