Regarding this problem, Cakewalk please come back when things were simpler and smoother.

I've been seeing the same behavior (tracks being selected unintentionally).  I've been so busy recording I've simply been deselecting unwanted selections and moving on.  In the back of my mind I thought I was probably inadvertently making the selections...busy, busy, busy.
 
Yes, this is new and annoying behavior.

When this feature came out it was presented like:
 
"Now when clicking the time line between markers all tracks will be selected" - or some such.
 
I thought, um.......why? Gosh I must be out of some loop somewhere.
- But they can't give us a ripple edit alert?
 
I don't know guys.

Rob[atSound-Rehab]

Anderton
Are you sure "Select track envelopes with clips" isn't checked in the Track View options menu? If unchecked, I can move, slip-edit, delete, etc. clips in take lanes (or the parent if folded) and the automation remains intact.

OK, learned something here because I did not know this option was there and hence has always been checked in any project I did.

 
FWIW this has been in SONAR for as long as I can remember, so you've probably been removing automation along with clips for years. I think you'll find this option a very useful feature when doing future projects. I have it on a key binding, that option is currently unassigned in the default Preferences.
 

Still it works differently when time range selecting on take lane T1 and T2. On T1 automation does get selected, on T2 it does not. That's an inconsistency / bug.

 
Yes, but remember automation is applied to a Track, and therefore all Takes...there's no per-take automation. What I'm hearing is that you want to be able to delete one part of a Take, not delete any other parts of any other Takes, but delete the automation that applies to the track for the duration of the selected part of the Take. Yes? If so, you don't need to select the automation separately. Here's how:
 
1. Drag across the part of the Take you want to delete.
2. Choose Cut Special or Delete Special and check Track/Bus Automation. The selected part of the clip and the accompanying automation will be cut or deleted.
 
As to dragging in the timeline selecting all tracks, it makes life much simpler when doing ripple edits. The tradeoff is if you want to drag in the timeline and select only part of one track, you may have to do an extra click:
 

• If a track is already selected, you can drag in the timeline and only the timeline region will be selected in only that track. No extra click required.
• If no track is selected, when you drag in the timeline all tracks will be selected. If you click on one track to select it, the timeline region will select only that region in only that track. This requires an extra click to select the Track, but at least IMHO, that's a reasonable tradeoff for the added convenience when doing ripple editing.

 

Anderton

Rob[atSound-Rehab]
Are you sure "Select track envelopes with clips" isn't checked in the Track View options menu? If unchecked, I can move, slip-edit, delete, etc. clips in take lanes (or the parent if folded) and the automation remains intact.

OK, learned something here because I did not know this option was there and hence has always been checked in any project I did.

 

andertonFWIW this has been in SONAR for as long as I can remember, so you've probably been removing automation along with clips for years. I think you'll find this option a very useful feature when doing future project.
 

Still it works differently when time range selecting on take lane T1 and T2. On T1 automation does get selected, on T2 it does not. That's an inconsistency / bug.

 
Yes, but remember automation is applied to a Track, and therefore all Takes...there's no per-take automation. What I'm hearing is that you want to be able to delete one part of a Take, not delete any other parts of any other Takes, but delete the automation that applies to the track for the duration of the selected part of the Take. Yes? If so, you don't need to select the automation separately. Here's how:
 
1. Drag across the part of the Take you want to delete.
2. Choose Cut Special or Delete Special and check Track/Bus Automation. The selected part of the clip and the accompanying automation will be cut or deleted.
 
As to dragging in the timeline selecting all tracks, it makes life much simpler when doing ripple edits. The tradeoff is if you want to drag in the timeline and select only part of one track, you may have to do an extra click:
 

• If a track is already selected, you can drag in the timeline and only the timeline region will be selected in only that track. No extra click required.
• If no track is selected, when you drag in the timeline all tracks will be selected. If you click on one track to select it, the timeline region will select only that region in only that track. This requires an extra click to select the Track, but at least IMHO, that's a reasonable tradeoff for the added convenience when doing ripple editing.

 

I think we're drifting away from the main topic of discussion here, which is about doing a simple selection in the timeline. It should not be selecting all tracks at once, period.  Never mind what happens in the take lanes or automation, as fixing the selection bug would probably cure this as well. 
 

slyman
 
I think we're drifting away from the main topic of discussion here, which is about doing a simple selection in the timeline. It should not be selecting all tracks at once, period.  Never mind what happens in the take lanes or automation, as fixing the selection bug would probably cure this as well. 

 
Well I was trying to help the person with his issue about envelopes, and summarize a way to do what he wants.
 
But I've thought about this some more, and I think I'm wrong in what I said above:

• If no track is selected, when you drag in the timeline all tracks will be selected. If you click on one track to select it, the timeline region will select only that region in only that track. This requires an extra click to select the Track, but at least IMHO, that's a reasonable tradeoff for the added convenience when doing ripple editing.

Actually I'm not sure an extra click is involved. If there are no tracks selected, and your preferred option is that tracks remain unselected after dragging across a range in the timeline, at some point you're going to have to click on the track(s) you want affected by the range selection - otherwise what's the point in defining a range? And if dragging across the timeline selects all tracks, then you click on the track(s) you want selected if you don't want all of them selected.
 
Please let me know if I'm missing something, but it seems like you have the same clickstream regardless of whether all tracks or no tracks are selected after dragging across the timeline:
 

• No tracks selected after dragging across timeline - click on track(s) to select the one(s) you want affected by the range
• All tracks selected after dragging across timeline - click on track(s) to select the one(s) you want affected by the range

 
Yes?

Anderton:
 
Your points are true.
 
However the behavior is inconsistent with other methods of selecting time ranges using the time line.  For example, if you use the Selection Control Module to select start and stop times using the time line (with no tracks selected), ALL tracks are NOT selected.
 
The two time selections methods I typically use in my workflow are:

1. Selecting between two markers on the timeline
2. Using the "Jog" functionality (does anyone else even use this functcionality?) and the Selection Control Module to set start and stop selection points on the time line

These two methods of using the time line to select a time span behave inconsistently now if no tracks are selected when they are invoked.  Also, since I typically don't use ripple editing (in fact up until recently, nobody has), from my perspective, this seems to me like an unnecessary change to long established operational functionality.
 
In the end, I guess I'm a curmudgeon, and am of the mindset that selecting on the time line should select time, not tracks.  There are several easy ways to "select all tracks" in SONAR.  If I want all tracks selected, I'll select them.
 
Change is tough for some of us,
Paul

im confused.
- Select a track/multiple tracks then make selection in timeline. what's the issue ?
- make a selection in the timeline/ select tracks/multiple tracks
 
Maybe im missing something but isn't that how it should work ?
 
EDIT: I see you want nothing selected in the timeline when you make a timeline selection.
Im not sure I remember it ever working that way.

chuckebaby
EDIT: I see you want nothing selected in the timeline when you make a timeline selection.
Im not sure I remember it ever working that way.

Whether nothing is selected or all is selected, the functionality is the same...you click on the track(s) you want the region to affect. 

I'll need to pay more attention to when it happens - but it does select "all tracks" quite a lot now.
 
Anderton - you're probably right about the amount of mouse clicks being the same, but it's much more dangerous to have *everything* selected when you accidentally click the next thing (because you're not used to *everything* being selected - and that's the way you always used to do it...) ;-)
 
The point it - this new behaviour just appeared a couple of months ago, and caught a lot of us by surprise.