2018/05/08 17:13:19
Starise
I like the technical side of how some frequencies might affect us. I'm a real skeptic. The alternate A tuning frequency has been around for a long time. Lots of bands tune up or down a few cents. I can't say why. I play a lot in open D or DADGAD tuning. They say the key of A is the happy key. 
 
On the religious element I won't go there. I see no reason or rhyme to go there. Altered states figures into how music affects or can affect you. In the 60's it wasn't the frequencies that did it*ahem*. 
 
At any rate, probably more for the technical forums? The rest is a stretch IMHO. I do like good vibrations tho.
2018/05/08 22:53:05
Jyotishvarii
Wookie I do apologize for coming after you about locking the thread and I think all agree to not get harsh on the sentiments of others  It was a good move on your part to reopen the discussion especially when something of greater significance may be happening here  I base this on 3 "what ifs"
 
What if the ancient Gregorian frequencies really do have some healing benefit  In associated healing practices the results are well documented claiming that they do work  It may be all due to power of suggestion The example of the church congregation receiving healings and blessings and miracles even of the notes were all wrong supports this
If you look at the literature more miraculous healings are realized by the health professional using tuning forks that have been manufactured to exactness  The healings through a band playing the Solfeggios is more hit and miss
 
What if John's argument is correct that the Gregorian translation to our modern tonal scale is in gross error and musicians are tuning their instruments incorrectly
 
What if his charts are really a correction of the way we need to interface with the scales  I have no starting point to understand what they mean or how to implement them  The important thing is that there are numbers which represent mathematical points  There was the request for better minds than mine to double check and verify the data
Such a small place called Coffee House  Such a small discussion that could deliver a crucial gift to our understanding if there is a grain of truth in any of this
 
 
 
 
2018/05/08 23:11:34
Leadfoot
Thank you Wookiee for letting this discussion continue. This subject is so fascinating.
2018/05/09 23:09:14
JohnKenn
Think Starise got the right idea here. This belongs in the dark recesses of some tech forum. Not a lot of interest beside Leadfoot and Jyoti. My fault for not presenting it right.
 
Since this thread is headed to the bottom of the birdcage, can go off topic. Would want to throw in a story of human interest that inspires me and hope will inspire others. This regarding the church ministers (NOT RELIGION!!!).
 
I've been working with two preachers to get this project off the ground. Preacher Joe and Preacher Edwin.
 
Both these guys are gems of humanity on the high end of the bell curve compared to the rest of us. Preacher Joe lives a mile away from me. The guy is an excellent guitarist, vocalist, song writer, bass player. CD's out. Veteran Reaper recording engineer. Preacher Joe is the one pushing the Holy Tones program. His only greater merit is the scope of his universal vision.
 
Preacher Edwin is also a gifted drummer, vocalist, piano player. Not so conversant with digital stuff.
 
Preached Edwin is the main fuse for the church. He is an interim minister for a couple months until he goes back to his native Uganda to continue his mission there.
 
You meet Preacher Edwin for the first time and your gut reaction is one of revulsion and fear till you overcome what he looks like and sense the incredible beauty inside the individual.
 
Edwin is a big man. So black he is almost purple. His face or what is left of it is a mass of mutilating scars. One eye missing.
 
Before his conversion in the care of the holy sisters of somewhere over there, Edwin was walking down the road when he was run over and dragged several hundred feet by a truck. What was left of him was spit out on the roadside. The truck never stopped. He said "Unfortunately life is cheap where I come from".
 
Multiple broken bones and a chopped up pile of dead meat. Covered with flies and vultures circling overhead.
 
When they found him, he was pronounced dead. The got a truck to take his body to a field to bury him. They dug a hole and tossed him in.
 
Edwin was about totally buried. His arm and hand were last above the dirt. Before the last shovel covered him forever, one of the grave diggers saw a finger twitch.
 
One argued that he was still alive against the other digger who just wanted to complete their task and get paid.
They dug him up and flagged down a car. No ambulances available. The car loaded him in and dumped him off at a medical clinic staffed by nurses. No doctors and no pain pills. They cleaned him up, washed out the maggots that had already laid eggs. They splinted up his broken bones.
 
About a year of incredible pain and incredible recovery that few of us could have remotely survived.
 
Touch the feet of this warrior in respect. His perspective is all about the welfare of others, not on the pain he is still suffering for the rest of his stay on earth. His statement is that trials are given to overcome, so that we may build spiritual strength. Some just get dumped on more than others as per their need to evolve.
Will really miss this gentle soul when he heads back to Uganda. Like a candle light went dim out here in Oregon, but something will shine brighter over there.
 
John
 
 
 
 
 
2018/05/10 00:55:37
Leadfoot
What an inspirational story. What an awful thing to live through. He definitely was spared for a higher purpose.
2018/05/10 01:42:35
Leadfoot
I keep wondering if this subject was the impetus behind Nikola Tesla's work and theories about resonance. He apparently demolished a building by vibrating it at a certain frequency. I've even read that something partially disappeared when it was vibrated at the right frequency. If this can believed(and I'm not saying it can), it wouldn't be too far a stretch to assume that the right frequency can cause molecular changes in the body.
Or am I totally off the deep end???
2018/05/10 14:10:05
jackson white
@Leadfoot.
 
Tesla's interest in resonance is most likely related to his experiments on the wireless transmission of power. Resonance is a major factor for efficiency. 
2018/05/10 14:10:55
jackson white
"Simply one note, pure and easy...."
        - pete townshend
 
 
 
2018/05/10 15:52:59
quantumeffect
Leadfoot
I keep wondering if this subject was the impetus behind Nikola Tesla's work and theories about resonance. He apparently demolished a building by vibrating it at a certain frequency. I've even read that something partially disappeared when it was vibrated at the right frequency. If this can believed(and I'm not saying it can), it wouldn't be too far a stretch to assume that the right frequency can cause molecular changes in the body.
Or am I totally off the deep end???


If you were talking about electromagnetic radiation ... that would be a suntan.
 
If you were talking about mechanical waves, and presumably, that is what you meant ... the mythical brown note might fall into that category.
 
2018/05/10 22:13:41
Jyotishvarii
John it looks like you are not getting any takers on a verification process for your work  Regrettable
My husband Eric plays with keyboards and has a Yamaha electric model  He explained cent tuning to me and how it all ties in to what you presented in the spreadsheet
We do not have a way of monitoring the numerical frequency of the note but we set up an experiment where we tuned according to your chart and listened to the note on the piano against the tuning fork
For all frequencies neither of us could hear any difference  You may have really cracked the code
You said that there are exact tuning that are too subtle for the human ear but that may be necessary to zero in on the Gregorian notes
The ReaControlMidi application you say gets closer than the cent divisions  Could you post something about how to go about using this and also what software you are using to show the frequencies with a number  I can hear exact but would want to read exact if I can help
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