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  • The standard studio monitor placement, is it correct? (p.2)
2016/03/19 16:25:55
Jeff Evans
Back the OP though.  Pointing the bass drivers directly at your ears and having the tweeters higher as he has done is not the go though.
 
What I do is I have a nice small circular mirror.  I tape the mirror over the tweeter temporarily with some little gaffa bits and then when I am looking directly at the speaker (tweeter) I can see myself clearly. I do it for both sides.
 
So the tweeters should be on your ear level and pointing directly towards you for the most directional clarity with highs ets.  As Bit says the highs are much more directional.  The lows are almost omni directional so you will always hear those.
 
Don't have the speakers too far apart either.  That is worse and a bigger problem.  You will have a weak centre image and then you start pushing centre panned things a little too high.  Maintain the equilateral triangle thing if you can.
2016/03/20 10:11:46
wst3
There is no right answer, other than perhaps "it depends".

There are, however, a number of really good starting points, and you've already heard several of them.

Every room is different, and more to the point, every pair of ears is different.

There are configurations I've seen that I expected to be horrible, and yet the engineer was able to create mixes that translated well to the world.

To be fair, there have been rooms where I just knew it was going to be awful, and it was<G>!

And to be equally fair, there have been rooms that looked right and sounded right, but I can't recall a case where things looked right and sounded bad. Does that  mean there was never room for improvement? I'll never know!

So where do you start?

1) room symmetry, left to right - this is about as close to absolute as it gets.
2) distance to the back wall - try your best to get the back wall at least 11 feet from your ears. Can't always be done, but if it can it makes a big difference
3) loudspeaker placement (part 1) - horizontal or vertical, and free space, half space, or dog-house - every loudspeaker is designed to work optimally in one or more configurations, so you need to read the manual. If you need to rotate the tweeter to lie them on their sides (or stand them up) do so. Similarly, if there is a switch that tries to equalize the low end depending on placement use it. And don't be afraid to try alternate positions, they probably won't work, but  if they do... Similarly again, don't be afraid to try monitors on their side even if the  manual says otherwise. Worst case you'll learn why the manufacturer advised against it. About the only rule I've run across that seems somewhat universal is that it is a really bad idea to doghouse near field monitors, and it is a really bad idea to place monitors with rear-firing ports against a wall. I'm sure there are others<G>.
4) loudspeaker placement (part 2) - distance to ears, distance between - start with the oft-quoted equilateral triangle and a distance that looks right. Distance is a crap shoot! Experiment. It is the only way to know that you've found the sweet spot. Start by adjusting distance, and keeping the equilateral triangle. Once  you've found a distance that sounds  good play with separation between the loudspeakers. For distance you are primarily listening for tonal balance, although it will impact the stereo image a little. For separation you are primarily listening to the stereo image, but tonal balance can change too.

Ain't this fun?

For folks building a new room I recommend taking care of loudspeaker placement before moving any equipment into the room - it is usually easier to adjust equipment locations. Not always (a 12 foot wide console is going to take up a lot of space<G>), but  usually.
 
And while listening/experimenting with loudspeaker placement use a LOT of different material, some of your own, and a bunch of your favorite albums. And if you have any well recorded 'naked' tracks listen to them too.

There  is science here, but there is also art. Unless you are designing the  monitors and the room from scratch the art part has a lot of impact. By way of example, my new Presonus S6 monitors are a lot closer than I expected. Thus far (and I'm far from finished) I haven't been able to screw up the stereo image much, but I have found the tonal balance to change more than expected as they move back and forth.

Another example - I have a pair of Urei 809s, and right now they are on stands in the room. They used to be mounted in the wall in my old place. There is no question I like them better that way, but I'm a ways off from building the next room, so here they stand (pun unavoidable?)


2016/03/20 21:17:21
Snehankur
Jeff Evans
Don't have the speakers too far apart either.  That is worse and a bigger problem.  You will have a weak centre image and then you start pushing centre panned things a little too high.  Maintain the equilateral triangle thing if you can.

I have a question here...
I have two 22" monitors. that makes 44 inches. The width of the monitors are 8" approx. Twice of half of each will make that 8". In total this becomes 52 inches.
From centre of table centre of each speaker is 26" apart.
So my distance should be 52 x sin60= 52 x 1.732 x 0.5 = 45" approx. Is that right? In that case 45" from monitor is a bit difficult to see with higher resolution to achieve larger real estate on monitor.
What do I do?
Regards
Snehankur
2016/03/20 21:30:38
wst3
display monitors cause all sorts of problems - we were better off with tape decks!!!
Not only do you need to be able to see your screens, but you need to arrange the displays and the loudspeakers such that the displays don't mess up the stereo image.

My suggestion would be to start with the minimum spacing you describe, and try moving the displays closer. If that doesn't cause audible problems then you are all set. If it does (and I fear it might) then you need to start with a comfortable viewing distance for the displays, and work with loudspeaker placement from there.

Good luck!
2016/03/21 10:05:50
Mosvalve
Thanks for all your suggestions and comments. I re-arranged my setup and now have my monitors vertical and closer together. From center to center of the woofers they are approx. 45" apart.  They were a little further apart. I think being a little closer may give me a more focused image. I'm paying attention to the stereo image and if that sounds right.
2016/03/31 11:35:04
s5m
I have read though the scenarios for speaker placement. Some of the things (distance from the speakers and stereo image listening..I've tried). Never thought about ear level in regards to bass and treble. Makes a lot of sense. This was extremely informative information. I have been struggling with final mixes. Particularly with the highs. They always seem to get lost in the final mix.  
 
Thanks
s5m
2016/04/03 11:04:35
BrFrBob
Great, just when you think you have everything right where you want it...  So lowering the monitors 8 inches throws off my ARC measurements and if I'm going to remeasure I might as well get to that room project I've been putting off so successfully and there goes my weekend and all this because of TWEETERS!  Or I could just sit on a stack of phone books for now.
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