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2017/07/23 15:08:39
space_cowboy
This is probably the wrong place to ask, but here goes...
 
What outboard gear do you still use? 
Me - I just got a OB6.  I have a Waldorf Wave, a Memorymoog and a Synthi AKS.  They sound better to me than the plugins.   
 
I have a UA LA 610 - a LA2A style compressor with a 610 preamp.  Great for using a Mic with.  I had an Avalon 737, but it was too clean/transparent for my tastes.  The UA departs a great signature sound.  
 
I have a slew of mics from when we recorded as a band a bunch.  Most were for the drums (421s, SM57s, Some large diaphragm overheads...)  I also use my Firefly a lot.  I have a U87, U149, 2 KM 184s and a Manley tube mic.  
While I am warming up to the Unison mode on my Apollo Firewire, I still use real valve amps.  I have a Marshall 1 watt JCM800 thingy, a couple of Mesas, and I recently ordered a Glaswerks amp that is supposed to be one of the best at capturing the feel and sound of a Dumble.  I have a Motherload speaker emulator that lets me record a tube amp direct.  I am very interested in this new UA device that is coming out soon.  
 
I keep looking at the Series 500 rack pres and compressors, but I am also trying to figure if I am gaining anything versus just using the UA Apollo in Unison with an API or UA pre.  
 
I am currently mixer-free.  I do have the Berhinger X Touch, but it is a controller not a mixer.  I also have the Console 1 which is amazing for getting the sound right as opposed to using the same plugins and a mouse!  And having a whole channel strip (gate/EQ/Compressor) in a package is sweet
 
You?
 
 
 
2017/07/23 15:28:03
Zargg
Hi. I have much the same setup as you. I've got a Drawmer MX60 in addition to my LA 610 MKII and the RME Ucx preamps.
I have a Tascam FW 1884, a Console 1 (first edition), 2 MIDI keyboards and a couple of mics.
I've had quite the draft through my studio the last years, as I've tried many different outboard fx. Just found it a lot easier, and even sounding better to use ITB fx.
I've also been looking at the 500 series, but have realized that as long as it's just me here, I'm VERY pleased with my setup.
My GAS has been cured for a while 
Need better monitors though, so perhaps not completely cured 
All the best.
Edited:
I also have Fender Strat (MIM), Epiphone Goth, Yamaha RBX 375, Seagull 12 string and a Manuel Rodriguez (Mod B) classical nylon string guitar.
I often use my Line 6 Pod HD500 when recording "heavy" guitars. Starting to use amp sims a little more lately..
2017/07/23 16:50:51
Marshall
I've just got my first piece of what I think of as "hardware" - a Rockett Archer guitar pedal. I use it in front of S Gear on clean amps and I love it.
2017/07/23 16:54:27
AT
I am really surprised there isn't more emphasis on hardware in these forums.  Of course, it is a software forum, but still, much of recording has do with actual recording of acoustical energy, and one would think it would be more discussed.  Of course, there is always Gearslutz, where they count the number of preamp on the head of a pin.
 
I still use hardware synths (FIZMO, Mini, Odessy and a Siel) but mostly soft synths for synthetic, not acoustical emulations.  For my own music, analog synth sounding strings etc. and "sounds" are more important than realistic emulations.  But unless you are recording acoustical drums (I don't really have the room), AD and drum synths are hugely important.  It is the one thing that can put home recordings on par with big studios, because it is next to impossible to record good drums in a home studio.  And I know re-mixers who replace/augment drums from major studios - what chance does a 14 x 15 ft room with 8.5 ft. to the ceiling have.  It will likely either ring or be baffled to sound death when put up against loud drums. 
 
For more minimal acoustical recordings,  a nice front end can overcome a lot of obstacles.  The garden variety of conversion and pres in most modern interfaces are great.  But there are times when big ole transformer goodness can help, and all those nice electronic components passing electrons can stamp your sound just like a large console.  It becomes easier to get a big, round, sound, and some sudden loud acoustic recording that will crap out an IC pre that has 55 dBs of gain, just goes down digitally smooth as a spoonful of sugar.  More gain also = distance or reach with your mic, so you can back it off signals with extreme range of gain, which can give you tone but also help protect from mic overs since air and space naturally compress sound.  Doubling the distance to your mic means only a quarter of the signal energy is hitting the mic.  Of course, with only 55 dB of gain, that signal is now wrestling with the noise floor.
 
The best hardware I've collected lately is all front end stuff.  The RND (Neve Designs) Portico II does everything - pre, comp, eq & filters, de-esser and silk.  Stuff comes in and sounds better, it has tons of headroom and does just about every trick.  Once you get a handle on it, you can deliver a rock solid, pre-shaped sound to your computer, shaving off a few dBs of via compression to deliver a firm signal.  It really makes mixing so much easier, and the more you work with it (or similarly spec'ed hardware) the easier and quicker it is to shape the sound since you know what it can do.  The other great buys are WARM Audio's 1176 and LA-2A.  Those are historically distinctive units, almost one trick ponies, but the trick they do you've heard on just about every commercial release for 50 years.  Software works nice, I love Cake's versions, and softubes etc.  But there is something about going in with the tone live that software can't quite replicate, at least to my ears.  It is part of the beauty of recording.  I know a lot of people claim there is no difference between software and hardware, or between hardware units, yada yada yada.  But tell a guitarist that all 6 strings sound alike. Or feel.  Or an Orange sound the same as a Roland amp.  I mean, they both are just amps.  You'll get pushback.
 
The more you get it right during tracking, the quicker and easier the rest of the process goes.  
2017/07/23 17:58:12
Zargg
AT
 The best hardware I've collected lately is all front end stuff.  
The more you get it right during tracking, the quicker and easier the rest of the process goes.  


Shortened quote, but I agree very much 
2017/07/23 18:08:10
JohanSebatianGremlin
When I started off software emulations didn't exist so everything I used was analog and/or hardware based. And I hated it. I hated it because my budget dictated that just about everything I had was a knock-off or sub-par version of what I really wanted to be working with. And of course almost none of it could be automated in any practical way.
 
Yep, I had that great 'analog' sound on spades back then. But oddly enough nothing I ever did with it ever sounded all that great to me nor anyone else. As computer based sequencers began to morph into the DAW's we all enjoy today, I eagerly jumped on board, got rid of all my hardware and never looked back.

Almost everyone will claim that any software synth emulation will never sound as good as the original hardware and perhaps they're right. All I know is the soft synths sound pretty great to my ears and they never break or need to have the cobwebs blown out. And more importantly no one and I mean no one who is likely to listen any mp3 audio I produce would ever be able to tell the difference if their live depended on it. It sounds like a Moog to me and it sounds like a Moog to them.

That being said, I did come full circle this year and add an outboard processor to my rack. I bought an old PCM 91. Not because it sounds so much better than my plugins, it doesn't. I bought it to help reduce the plugin load on the CPU a bit and because good bad or indifferent it sounds like PCM 91 and I kind of like that sound on some things.
2017/07/23 19:22:18
bitman
I have an SRS box that I use late in project life. Aside from that, I'm 100% ITB.
 
2017/07/23 21:34:09
tlw
Most of the stuff I use to create sound is hardware, most guitar processing is done by old-fashioned hardware. The main ITB synths/samplers I use are for acoustic-style drums and "oddball" instruments used for effect. And piano sounds and sometimes pads and drones that software synths, especially wavetablers such as Nave, make possible in a way hardware generally doesn't. My life would be much easier if I could comfortably do ITB things I do using hardware, but unfortunately I can't.

Most of the stuff isn't particularly expensive either. Now is a good time to find relatively cheap and good synths for example, the market is awash with them.

Pretty much all studio-type processing - eq, compression, reverb, delay - is done ITB and I use a bunch of plugin effects as well.
2017/07/23 21:50:20
lfm
NordLead 2X, KingKorg, Yamaha CLP-535 and Hammond XK3C - and Yamaha DTXPRESS IV Special eDrums.
Three guitar tube amps, Laney, Koch and Fender, fed into patch bay, so I can cross connect any preamp and power amp. And pedalboard to go with it. Last piece in the puzzle just two months ago - Digitech FreqOut so you can emulate feedback without running really loud.
 
Hardware - does guitars count?
And handful of those too.
 
I only have Dimension Pro and Magix Independence Suite ITB left as instruments, and SuperiorDrummer for drums then. So might go Roland Integra or FA06 for more external.
 
Just take the NL2X or KK on the armrest of favourite chair and sit and make patches for a day. Never happend in computer. Physical knobs right there.
 
And same with Hammond, you just press and button and sit and play and make new patches. Tried with various setups with B4 and an UC-33 controller, but it does not match soundwise or workflow, not even close. Tried Korg CX-3 v2 and sound good - in two octaves, not more. Might get the new XK5 - with four draw bar sets like B3. XK3C is just a lovely creature,
 
Addictive Keys is rather nice, but Yamaha is just so organic, and good Rhodes nowadays too - at last. Pretty nice choirs as well.
 
Out of the box it is....
2017/07/23 21:53:16
Razorwit
Space, I'm still right there in hardware land with you. I have more mics than I can shake a (drum) stick at, 20 or so channels of various mic pres, 16 channels of SSL summing and various other stuff. I'll give up my Distressor, 1176's, and my SSL bus comp when you pry them from my cold, dark-magic-infused, undead-lich-hands. Not to mention all the guitar amps (8 or 9). And pedals (way too many...oh god, I need professional help). And weird other doo-dads (few things make me happier in a session these days than the words "triad-orbit").
 
Oh, and I've definitely made the leap into 500-series land. C'mon in, the waters fine...the only thing you'll be drowning in is sweet audio goodness...OK, and possibly debt. But also sweet audio goodness.
 
Dean
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