chuckebaby

Pragi
Can hear some pro ´s mentioning that the sound of a guit comes 
out of the fingers.
 
regards

You are right. the fingers have a lot to do with it, picking technique as well (Closer to the bridge/Closer to the neck). The toughest change for me was adjusting my ears to real amps again. After years of using Amp Sims, I found my ears had accepted a thinner sound with not as much meat. So when I went back to using real Amps again that bottom end meat seemed overwhelming to me. Personally I was having trouble with it.
 
Amps Sims are amazing and they have really come a long way since the old days (POD 2.0 :-).
And they are very convenient as far as neighbor love goes. But a real amp still sounds better than anything.

Interesting that you don´t use amp-sims that much anymore.
Similar here since I build a silent cab for my amp-boxes.
I use a DI box to split the guitar signal -
one channel goes to the silent cab (where I mic the box )
and the other direct into the interface. 
The sound I get that way is fantastic imo.
A by product of using a DI box with ground lift is that the 
sidetones of the amp and the fx  nearly disappeared .
The dry signal is  rarely used for making the sound of the miced
signal thicker with amp sims.
 
Hope it´s not to much OT . 
 
regards
 
 

Does my Fractal Axe FX II count as hardware? 

smallstonefan
Does my Fractal Axe FX II count as hardware? 

Yes , I think so.

Pragi

smallstonefan
Does my Fractal Axe FX II count as hardware? 

Yes , I think so.

Cool! 

Pragi

chuckebaby

Pragi
Can hear some pro ´s mentioning that the sound of a guit comes 
out of the fingers.
 
regards

You are right. the fingers have a lot to do with it, picking technique as well (Closer to the bridge/Closer to the neck). The toughest change for me was adjusting my ears to real amps again. After years of using Amp Sims, I found my ears had accepted a thinner sound with not as much meat. So when I went back to using real Amps again that bottom end meat seemed overwhelming to me. Personally I was having trouble with it.
 
Amps Sims are amazing and they have really come a long way since the old days (POD 2.0 :-).
And they are very convenient as far as neighbor love goes. But a real amp still sounds better than anything.

Interesting that you don´t use amp-sims that much anymore.
Similar here since I build a silent cab for my amp-boxes.
I use a DI box to split the guitar signal -
one channel goes to the silent cab (where I mic the box )
and the other direct into the interface. 
The sound I get that way is fantastic imo.
A by product of using a DI box with ground lift is that the 
sidetones of the amp and the fx  nearly disappeared .
The dry signal is  rarely used for making the sound of the miced
signal thicker with amp sims.
 
Hope it´s not to much OT . 
 
regards
 
 

That's great stuff Pragi. I like your ideas.
Im in the process myself of building a silent cab (an ISO box). Right now I have my cabs in a separate room (my drum room) so when I track in the control room you can hardly hear it. However there is bleed from the cranked cabs when trying to Mic the drum kit. So this my next project (building an iso cab).
 
I have so many speakers. I am a tone freak when it comes to guitar tones. I have been chasing tone for many years and have collected a lot of vintage speakers (1960's greenbacks, older Vintage 30's). I thought about building a row for different speakers and a switch to change Microphones and Cabs but it is complicated.
I just hate having to switch speakers because typically I will change amps and Cabs in the same project (guitars too)
 
I love your idea about the splitter. im going to have to use that myself. its always nice to have a back up of the original dry track as well. And there is a different sound blending real Cabs with Sims that im thinking of exploring.

@ Chuck,
thanks for your response , that way I can be sure 
that it is possible to understand what I wrote.
 
So far I can encourage everybody who has the idea to build 
an iso cab. Makes  for me a significant quality jump from 
amp simuilations. I also have a recording room - a small space
next to our bands rehearsal room - but the sound quality recording in that
room is not as good as  it can be in the iso cab and
it´s now also not needed to prepare this small room for every recording session ( Yes,had to ).
 
 
I realized  that mics with a big proximity effect ( Sennheiser e 906 or
Shure SM 57) sound powerful in an iso cab.
Don´t have as many nice speaker as you have,
Marshall 1936, Fender Hot Rod 12 " and Fame GN 112(loaded with an Eminence Legend(
but  manage the 3 different speaker via patch bay .
 
regards
 
 

My Feurich upright piano has a sound that just cannot be replicated by software. I mean anyone can tell it's a real piano that's been recorded because it's so difficult to reproduce all those squeaks and rattles. Seriously though, I've yet to find a piece of software that can give me that timbre of the timber. That's not to say I'm not happy with software keyboards, I use them more than the piano, it's just different that's all. The only other piece of hardware I use on a regular basis is an old, cheap Alesis reverb/echo unit that has a sound that is just right sometimes.

Pragi
@ Chuck,
thanks for your response , that way I can be sure 
that it is possible to understand what I wrote.
 
So far I can encourage everybody who has the idea to build 
an iso cab. Makes  for me a significant quality jump from 
amp simuilations. I also have a recording room - a small space
next to our bands rehearsal room - but the sound quality recording in that
room is not as good as  it can be in the iso cab and
it´s now also not needed to prepare this small room for every recording session ( Yes,had to ).
 
 
I realized  that mics with a big proximity effect ( Sennheiser e 906 or
Shure SM 57) sound powerful in an iso cab.
Don´t have as many nice speaker as you have,
Marshall 1936, Fender Hot Rod 12 " and Fame GN 112(loaded with an Eminence Legend(
but  manage the 3 different speaker via patch bay .
 
regards
 
 

I looked at Randall ISO CAB, the 1x12" one. Price range $300-350.
Seems really cool, but not entierly silent as I found on youtube.
There are other commercial ones, but start at about double price from Randall which also include a 12" speaker. Some switch this speaker to better quality one, if not liking Celestion vintage element.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uryi21rU3G0
 
Instead I bought a couple of http://www.TedWeber.com 50W load units which are reactive and are closer to a speaker compared to resistive loads. My amps are about 15-20W and they recommend double amp specs as load.
 
Then I use a Radial JDX DI-box over that speaker load. It emulates 2x12" in a decent way. Just use an extra speaker cable and plug into this box. Output from this box into a preamp or mixer.
 
To get the feeling standing in front of a stack, I use a impulse response of a studio or other small enough room. I use in Waves IR1, but other probably allow similar features. I modify amplitude envelope to much shorter than original IR so volume drops more quickly after a short while, so you just get a tiny room feel like a miked up situation. You don't need a full room, just a tiny bit.
 
Some amps in my collection have some resistive loads and allow some speaker emulation, some if using usb outs from amp. Laney Ironheart Studio is a really nice amp, with so many features. It also allowed to run without speaker load if plugged in into the 1W input(it has a 1W resistor load using that). I use rack unit head - and I recommend having a look at it. Features rich and well thought out amp over all. But I run through the load described above to be sure I get full power amp saturation in there, not reduced effect one.
 
The Koch Studiotone also have 20W resistive load if not wanting to run speakers. But also do weberload above on that.
 
To get cleaner fender like power amp I got a Superchamp X2 and modified to get a effect loop return into that.(description I posted on fender forum). This way I can use preamps in Laney or Koch to use fender power amp. So a simple rack patch bay like Behringer PX3000 I do preamp out and return through patch bay on amps I can combine to liking. I like power amp in Laney and Fender better than Koch own.
 
So this lab setup is really flexible and dead silent to work in any bedroom if so.

Ya these are some very good reads.
Love talking and learning about stuff like this. I am a total Tone chaser and would probably steal candy from a baby if it meant getting that tone (okay not that bad but you know what I mean) .
 
Anyway, I built an ISO cab yesterday (2ftX3ft) using ply wood and sound dampening egg foam.
At first I thought about building one with a built in speaker, but I have so many I wanted to be able to put my 1x12 and 2x12's right inside of the ISO cab (so I wouldn't need to switch speakers all the time).
Pragi, it sounds like you have some awesome cabs. I love anything Fane and the 1936 is one of my all time favorites.
I have a 2x12 Soldano cab that sounds really close to the 1936 and its my best sounding cab (front loaded, solid 3/4 plywood) it belonged to Rod Price of Foghat. I got it in 2006.
 
Back to the ISO cab, It sounds great. only problem is... it is not as quiet as I thought it was going to be .
However, when I put it in my drum room, I cant hear anything in my control room. Before I could feel the rumble in my control room when I put cabs in the drum room. a lot better now.
 
But at first I put it in my control room. thinking shorter cables, more flexibility to dial in sounds while im playing.
but it just wasn't happening, it was too loud and that was around 70 db in the box.  

Chuck, 
hope you are getting your Iso cab as silent as you need it.
Have you tried to use ?
1.Inside 10 cm thick acoustic foam  and
2. to fill  the joints with silicon and the lid with sealing tape ?
 3. 3 close fitting frames for the lid
Off course, my silent box is  not totally silent but I can 
play very  loud  during the day time in our house.
 
During playing very loud via silent box it is possible to speak  quiet
in the same room.
 
Hope this  is anyway helpful for you.
regards