I wish 1 of you guys would post some videos using Kinetic, so I can finally stop feeling like I'm in the twilight-zone. My experience with kinetic  has always been disappointing. Mainly with the midi timing being weird or lagging behind newly recorded events.
 
Could be a problem with it not agreeing with my system. Other programs Have tight midi recording by comparison. I'm perplexed by the deep midi editing comment Chrisma? Kinetic's midi editing is rather limited IMO. And the dark background of the piano roll makes editing more challenging to use which should have been a lighter color. I would love to see a video of you using it on a deep level???

I think the mixer needs a major update as well to the list of features. Also, kinetic needs to be able to utilize more than just 16 sounds. The sounds should be on a per pattern basis and not specificly tied to the mixer. This is the way the actual Roland groove boxes that Kinetic is based on, operates.

I have a Roland MC307 ( no longer used) which gives you a rhythm track and 7 instrument tracks per pattern. Each pattern can have a completely different set of sounds which can't be done in Kinetic because all patterns are based on what ever sounds are in the mixer. The 16 sound limitation may not be much of an issue when making a single track, but, can be if you're wishing to do a more elaborate production without work-arounds.

I think another reason kinetic didn't get too far in the game is because it doesn't record audio. I'm sure most peeps wanted to record some vocals. It's funny when you consider that CW music creator is cheaper @ $40 us, records audio, and has more features than k which costed around $80.

Personally, I think K is a wrap. Roland groove boxes have faded and since this is what Kinetic was really based on, I'm convinced CW isn't interested in a revival. I would like to see it revamped with better midi tools and piano roll. I think they should drop the Kinetic name which really isn't that catchy and probably makes it sound like more of a toy than a serious beat program. I digress!

How about those videos fellas?! 
  

Twitch


Anyways, can you still get K2 anywhere, anymore? I notice P5 is gone too..

Some places are still selling it at regular price! Lookup Microcenter computer store.... I found
 a copy there at the store once for $25. Glad I didn't pay more than that!

Chrisma

Twitch


I am sad to hear you leave MOTU BPM.. I love it to death.. I understand the limitations.. But I have step outside the boundaries of UVI... I have loaded Battery effects, .wav and .mp3s within BPM... You probably have seen my videos on youtube.. www.youtube.com/orecordings... But you are right with Kinetic its a very slept on beast in my opinion.. especially with Roland Sp606.. Keep me posted with some songs you have done using kinetic

Twitch,

Its beens so much fun editing midi and automation in Kinetic . You can just pull off some amazing stuff so easily with Kinetic. I think I will be grabbing me a Akai MPK61 for it's MPC input quantize, swing and note repreat.  I can pretty much map everything I need to via midi to control Kinetic. 

Here's the latest creation I have made using Kinetic for sequencing and song arrangement.

http://www.urbanmultitracks.com/instrumental-rnb-beat-63/ 

It was composed, arranged and mixed in Kinetic but mastered in Sonar. 

Let me know what you think.

Amazing bro! I really like it, and you did all this in kinetic? I must give you props.. big props there man.. I like your beats man, you do very good work..

kine321


I wish 1 of you guys would post some videos using Kinetic, so I can finally stop feeling like I'm in the twilight-zone. My experience with kinetic  has always been disappointing. Mainly with the midi timing being weird or lagging behind newly recorded events.
 
Could be a problem with it not agreeing with my system. Other programs Have tight midi recording by comparison. I'm perplexed by the deep midi editing comment Chrisma? Kinetic's midi editing is rather limited IMO. And the dark background of the piano roll makes editing more challenging to use which should have been a lighter color. I would love to see a video of you using it on a deep level???

I think the mixer needs a major update as well to the list of features. Also, kinetic needs to be able to utilize more than just 16 sounds. The sounds should be on a per pattern basis and not specificly tied to the mixer. This is the way the actual Roland groove boxes that Kinetic is based on, operates.

I have a Roland MC307 ( no longer used) which gives you a rhythm track and 7 instrument tracks per pattern. Each pattern can have a completely different set of sounds which can't be done in Kinetic because all patterns are based on what ever sounds are in the mixer. The 16 sound limitation may not be much of an issue when making a single track, but, can be if you're wishing to do a more elaborate production without work-arounds.

I think another reason kinetic didn't get too far in the game is because it doesn't record audio. I'm sure most peeps wanted to record some vocals. It's funny when you consider that CW music creator is cheaper @ $40 us, records audio, and has more features than k which costed around $80.

Personally, I think K is a wrap. Roland groove boxes have faded and since this is what Kinetic was really based on, I'm convinced CW isn't interested in a revival. I would like to see it revamped with better midi tools and piano roll. I think they should drop the Kinetic name which really isn't that catchy and probably makes it sound like more of a toy than a serious beat program. I digress!

How about those videos fellas?! 
  

For the price, of Kinetic you truly can't beat it, Roland Groove boxes haven't faded, there are used in Cakewalk Session Drummer in Sonar or use them with the step sequencer bro! However you did make a point about the prices of MC vs Kinetic, however I must say K2 or Kinetic in general was only for remixing so recording vocals wasn't ideal, and when you had K2 and the original Kinetic out on the market it was only competing with Acid Studio for the same price.. but for $99 you got P5 in the mix,  so Cakewalk MC should really be compared to P5 and not K1 or K2.. However the videos will be coming, I have to finish Sonar X1 Producer vids first.. but I can tell you they are coming.

Please do reply regarding the wheelers that you are discussing about, cos kinetic itself has many models, it is making me more and more confusing as it doesn't seems to be complete information about your question

Well, I decided to try Kinetic again after many failures and somehow finally got it to work decently. Seems to work better with certain audio drivers than others. Really had to tweak to find the best performance!

Conclusion:  Kinetic is a really cool piece to use for beat making after all. Its great for sketching out quick ideas and the work flow is simpler than Sonar and other Daws. I'm impressed with the quality of the bounced audio.

Updating Kinetic: In addition to Charisma's list, I think the mixer certainly needs updating. It's a bit small and ugly thankfully my vision is pretty good or using it would be somewhat hard. The ability to change the order of audio effects needs to be implemented, unless it's already doable?. The elusive parallel fx chain would be a bonus!

The note editor/ piano roll, needs a brighter background because it's simply too dark. Also, the automation you draw in the note editor needs to be like Sonar instead of Clunky blocks. More ways to manipulate and use loops or audio. Audio snap would be a nice addition. Midi related plug-ins, like sonar or cubase has which would give you an arpeggiator and other tools. Groove templates and more advanced quantization options.

Audio: I know you guys think audio isn't needed, but, I still think this is an area that kept Kinetic from getting bigger. I remember seeing complaints ages ago about it not being able to record audio. Sure, you can rewire kinetic in something that does, but some people only want to use a single program without extra steps; especially if using a laptop on the go and you want to get ideas down as they happen. If you come up with the perfect hook or chorus, etc... you should be able to record that moment of inspiration if you just made that hot butta beat!

It doesn't need to be a DAW with unlimited audio tracks. 6-8 would be good enough. Think, Roland SP808 groove sampler which had integrated audio tracks. I like to use actual instruments at times because I play bass and some guitar. It would be nice to record some live playing.  I don't think this would make kinetic more bloated, but would give it greater appeal overall. 

Kinetic X1- Re-imagined...

 

Almost forgot... it needs midi tracks to be able to handle multi-timbral instruments. The mixer should also have configurable routing options!

Discovered a funny thing about the snap setting that has drastically made Kinetic my first go to program for making beats. I was having problems with Kinetic recording real-time midi. The timing was horrible and newly recorded events would be way ahead of previous recorded notes.

I used the default 16th note setting as well as tried a 1/4 note snap setting with nothing being better. After trying the 128th setting the timing got way better!

I agree with all of you about Kinetic and this week I made a commitment to myself to not fall asleep on any app, hardware, or software ever purchased:)

If we thought that they were good enough to buy and/or download, we are placing limits on our own creativity to believe that any of them have served their purpose to no further end.

Just as music always goes retro at some point, we can always find an angle to make our music cross time and space boundaries by continuing our lab mixes versus subtracting any.

The only reason I can now see dropping something is whether it does not offer an export option and/or connecting an external recording device would result in an unwanted key signature or time change:)

The only Christmas list item that I personally need although Twitch I do admit that your videos have even taken away this excuse is finding something to automate midi mapping!!

I was trying to use a loop created on an app within another product and needing go through individual tracks for the midi mapping seemed rather pointless, so I ended up using the loop as created exported and imported into another DAW.

Sharing between apps and software seems to be the biggest requirement I can see for any production needs.  Isolation of samples, loops, patterns, tracks, and songs created seems like a war crime to me.

Let the music play!!!

Ok so...I have continued to work with Kinetic and have a couple of things I need someone to test for me. 

1.) Rewire - I can only get to a 2 channel output (and yes I have it set to 16 under audio properties). No matter what I do it is ignoring the setting in audio properties. I have tried both on my desktop and laptop and get the same results when trying to Rewire into Sonar. 

2.) Midi in on Rewire -  when I'm have Kinetic rewired into Sonar I get have midi in even though Kinetic shows are rewire midi in driver.


BTW - Loving using BPM (beat programming and sampling) and Kinetic (sequencing and other VSTs) at the same time. If they were both one app that would be awesome.  

Somebody let me know whats up with these two issues. 
   

 

Twitch

Chrisma

Twitch


I am sad to hear you leave MOTU BPM.. I love it to death.. I understand the limitations.. But I have step outside the boundaries of UVI... I have loaded Battery effects, .wav and .mp3s within BPM... You probably have seen my videos on youtube.. www.youtube.com/orecordings... But you are right with Kinetic its a very slept on beast in my opinion.. especially with Roland Sp606.. Keep me posted with some songs you have done using kinetic

Twitch,

Its beens so much fun editing midi and automation in Kinetic . You can just pull off some amazing stuff so easily with Kinetic. I think I will be grabbing me a Akai MPK61 for it's MPC input quantize, swing and note repreat.  I can pretty much map everything I need to via midi to control Kinetic. 

Here's the latest creation I have made using Kinetic for sequencing and song arrangement.

http://www.urbanmultitracks.com/instrumental-rnb-beat-63/ 

It was composed, arranged and mixed in Kinetic but mastered in Sonar. 

Let me know what you think.

Amazing bro! I really like it, and you did all this in kinetic? I must give you props.. big props there man.. I like your beats man, you do very good work..

Thanks Twitch!