sharke
 
Whenever the result of a quantize doesn't sound as expected, you know that the wrong quantize value has been chosen for at least some of the notes. It's as simple as that. Some material lends itself to quick and easy quantization, other material doesn't and will always need closer attention. 
 
If you took one of those pieces that you quantized in the past when it worked perfectly, and quantized it with your current version of Sonar, it would give exactly the same result. If you took the piece that you're having trouble quantizing now, and quantized it in that earlier version of Sonar, it would mess things up in exactly the same way. I'd be surprised if Sonar has even touched the quantize code even once in the past 10 years. 

Well then I guess I'm writing more complicated rhythm patterns lately.  Maybe that's a good thing.
 
John B.

chuckebaby

sharke
Snap settings have nothing to do with quantizing (unless you're using the timing tool). If you're quantizing from the quantize dialog, the quantize value you set in there will be applied regardless of your snap setting.

Are you sure about that ? I thought Quantizing followed global snap settings.
Duration is set in the drop down and duration is engaged by ticking the box.
But quantizing has to be snapping to something, surely its the snap value.

 

The perhaps confusingly termed "Duration" is basically the snap value. It has to be set to something in that dialog, and whatever it's set to will override the global snap setting. Not to be confused with the "note duration" option underneath - that signifies whether or not you want the note lengths quantized along with the note start times. 
 
So to recap: "Resolution" is the grid that you'll be snapping to, and underneath that you have options to specify whether you'll be snapping note start times, note durations, or both. 
 
None of the above is affected by the global snap setting. 

Well, tried all the suggestions.  No joy, so it will remain a mystery as to what I once was doing right and what I'm now doing wrong and my projects will continue to take longer to produce because I constantly will have to go in a "fine tune" this myself with almost every measure.  ????????????????????????????????????????????
 
Sometimes we just hit unexplainable roadblocks, especially in the software world.
 
Thanks all for trying to help.  I truly appreciate your efforts.
 
John B.

john,
is there any swing in this song ?
I know personally the ones I have had the most trouble quantizing are swing tracks.
Normal beat (on beat/off beat) data seems to snap very nicely but swing beats seem to have a mind of their own.
You know what I mean by swing beats ?
 
PS- the dog in your avatar reminds me of my dog when it was a puppy.
I have a Golden Doddle (Half golden retriever/ half Poodle).

chuckebaby
john,
is there any swing in this song ?
I know personally the ones I have had the most trouble quantizing are swing tracks.
Normal beat (on beat/off beat) data seems to snap very nicely but swing beats seem to have a mind of their own.
You know what I mean by swing beats ?
 
PS- the dog in your avatar reminds me of my dog when it was a puppy.
I have a Golden Doddle (Half golden retriever/ half Poodle).

You know, I think you hit it.  Most of my newer stuff has swing beats and it never occurred to me, but you have a point.  That's probably what it is.  Thanks.  At least you solved the mystery.  Now if anybody can suggest a better way to quantize swing beats............
 
John B.

there is an option in quantize settings to set the strength of the swing, but im going to be honest here..
I've never had good luck with it . Swing beats are tough for me. I set a real low resolution like 1/32 and hope for the best.
 
You also might have good luck setting your snap to grid to 1/32 for SB and moving them in small chunks.
Hope this helps.
Good luck

Johnbee58

chuckebaby
john,
is there any swing in this song ?
I know personally the ones I have had the most trouble quantizing are swing tracks.
Normal beat (on beat/off beat) data seems to snap very nicely but swing beats seem to have a mind of their own.
You know what I mean by swing beats ?
 
PS- the dog in your avatar reminds me of my dog when it was a puppy.
I have a Golden Doddle (Half golden retriever/ half Poodle).

You know, I think you hit it.  Most of my newer stuff has swing beats and it never occurred to me, but you have a point.  That's probably what it is.  Thanks.  At least you solved the mystery.  Now if anybody can suggest a better way to quantize swing beats............
 
John B.

There is a swing setting, experiment with that. It defaults at 50% (no swing).

Thanks so much, guys.  I looked back on my last 4 projects and they were ALL swing beats (Toontrack EZ Drummer 2 presets).  They're all completed now so not much point revisiting them, but I will remember the suggestion(s) for net time.
 
John B.