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  • Are ProChannel modules still being developed? (p.4)
2017/07/12 09:27:34
Kamikaze
Not really. My picture showed a fly out, but after Clive responded I agreed it could just be button to launch the full VST UI. All it does is cleaning put a VSTi into the PC chain, with  minimal space, and provide a way of opening the UI. FX chains do this and much more, but with more required screen estate.
 
 
Feature request has been posted so the people that I paid that pay for the forum can have a look if they want. 
2017/07/12 09:49:01
scook
So this is nothing more than rehashing and cross posting a request. Seems like a waste to me. Any way, good luck with your request.
2017/07/12 10:35:10
John
I think Scook makes some valid points. I agree with him on most of it.
2017/07/12 12:11:04
JohnEgan
stxx
Just use FX chains within prochannel.   Than prochannel can be whatever you need it to be as long as you have VSTs that do what you're looking for.   Unless I'm missing something, why isn't that the solution to the prochannel requests?

That's what I would say and ask, and you can create and save your own FX chains with specific controls visible in PC. Also how many FX do you really need to be fully visible and fully accessible at same time? Or perhaps more so how many different FX do you need on any one track? (I guess my music is pretty simple though anyway, LOL). Id agree it would be nicer if they all could fly-out to a larger size like the QC EQ, but be movable as when opening from FX bin, then Id possibly use it more. I find most of the modules to be too small and awkward to adjust accurately within PC strip anyway and find it more of a novelty that looks cool. More so I wish I could use some of the PC FX, in the FX-bin.
 
Cheers            
2017/07/12 13:05:03
pwalpwal
ampfixer I'd love to see 1 bin for everything, but I'm not holding my breath.




no need, it's called "FX BIN"
2017/07/12 13:19:47
Kamikaze
I get that, many aren't that fussed by PCs and have invested in a range of VSTs, so lean away from using them so much. I'm in the other camp, I've bought into the PC fomat, and own all but Softtube (ILok) and the PC Gate. Working form a HD laptop, I find the PC work really well for their small footprint. I don't tend to use stacks of plug ins but I do like seeing 2 or 3 at a time when I'm working with them. The way they intigarte into the console means I often have several channels of PCs open at once, so maybe the buss and the channels that feed it. 12 could open at a time (as in 4 channels of 3).
 
Using the FX channels as a VST insert, creates a lot of dead space on the screen. I set two channels up for demo (It's a 1080/1920 res with the control bar open). In the first you can't see what both the FX plug in are when the QCEQ is open (I tend to use and it the only compulsory PC so fair example), and in the second, with a CA2A in place you see how much dead space they cause. If I wanted to have two PC open at once, it would nice to see both the VST names so I could open either f them at a quick glance.

 
 
 
 
2017/07/12 13:25:27
pwalpwal
yeah but now you're trying to find a way to shoe-horn your VST collection into the PC because you have (PC-only i assume) a handful of PC-only-plugins
but yeah, i argued against the PC right from the start, seeing it only as a "lock in" business strategy
ymmv of course ;-)
2017/07/12 23:28:46
RSMCGUITAR
I definitely got into Sonar based on reading about the PC and thinking it was a great idea. The development since buying in however has been very minimal.
2017/07/13 00:48:39
scottfa
Seems like you could have a "rack" where you could put the PC modules in and place that in the FX Bin and get rid of the PC channel altogether, but for some reason there are those that love Pro Channel.
2017/07/13 15:21:09
sharke
pwalpwal
yeah but now you're trying to find a way to shoe-horn your VST collection into the PC because you have (PC-only i assume) a handful of PC-only-plugins
but yeah, i argued against the PC right from the start, seeing it only as a "lock in" business strategy
ymmv of course ;-)




I would disagree that it's a lock-in business strategy, at least entirely - I think the idea was mostly to give Sonar's console more of a hardware console feel with EQ and compression baked into every strip. Of course they could have just integrated basic EQ and compression controls in the main strips like an SSL console, but instead they took advantage of the fact that unlike hardware, a computer display has ways of accommodating larger and more extensive controls, and that it would be possible to allow the insertion of VST's anywhere in the signal chain. What we have has its problems but even so, is still better than the original FX Bins in that it's much easier to deal with large effect chains. The FX Bin is small and fiddly and doesn't show much at a glance. I guess if you never put more than 3 or 4 plugins on a track, and you don't use any PC modules, then it's probably just better to use the FX bins.  
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