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  • SOLVED! - Dim Pro No Longer Responds to Live Sustain Events...? (All Notes Off Problem)
2010/09/02 03:32:10
brundlefly
EDIT: See post #13 for the solution.
 
I was playing around with a project that had 16 instances of Dim Pro v1.5 x64 VSTi loaded, all playing the same piano Patch, and I was seeing how many notes I could play simultaneously a la the load test described by the OP in the "Problem with the SONAR CPU meter please....?" thread - holding the sustain pedal, and playing all notes up the keyboard until the CPU overloads.
 
I got about half way up the keyboard when the crackles started getting pretty intense, and my CPU meters were pretty much pegged. A moment later, the audio engine dropped out. After toggling it back on, I got all my Dim Pro instances back, but when I tried to repeat the test, I found that none of them were responding to the sustain pedal. All notes would stop at Note Off, as if the sustain pedal was not sending anything.
 
To make a long story short, I verified that my sustain pedal is still working with hardware synths, and other soft synths. I restarted the project - No joy. I restarted SONAR. Still no joy with Dim Pro, even with a new instance in a new project, and trying different piano and E.P. patches. I tried the x64 DXi, and the Bitbridged x86 VSTi - same problem. I even cold-booted my DAW somewhere in there, but still no response to sustain in Dim Pro.
 
Then I recorded some sustained MIDI notes, and found that on playback, Dim Pro would respond to them. When playing live with MIDI echoed to Dim Pro, I can see the sustain events being echoed in the MIDI track meter, and, as I said, any other synth will respond to them, but not Dim Pro.
 
What the heck have I done to this thing? I think this is the strangest problem I've ever encountered in SONAR.
 
Gonna have to pack it in for the night, and check for suggestions in the morning.
2010/09/02 10:26:12
brundlefly
No bright ideas out there, I guess...?
 
Here are a couple more pieces to the puzzle:
 
I found this morning that if I continue to hold at least one key down, other Dim Pro notes will sustain, but as soon as the last Note Off is sent, all notes turn off.
 
Also, I tried some more soft synths, and discovered that Rapture also does this, but not older Cakewalk synths like Pentagon 1, TTS-1 or SFZ player. Is this maybe an "Expression Engine" thing?
 
 
 
 
2010/09/02 14:46:44
bvideo
One bright idea: I tried a keyboard (Roland D-50) that sends "all notes off" when the last key is raised. I get your same symptom. I think maybe Dim Pro takes all notes off literally even with the sustain pedal down.
 My other keyboard does not send all notes off and does not get that behavior.
 Bill B
2010/09/02 15:20:35
brundlefly
One bright idea: I tried a keyboard (Roland D-50) that sends "all notes off" when the last key is raised. I get your same symptom.

 
Thanks, Billy. That is a bright idea. This is happening with my Roland RD-300s, and a quick check with MIDI-OX shows it is transmitting All Notes Off. I never bothered to check, because so many other synths were behaving normally.
 
I checked the RD-300s manual, and am not seeing away to turn this off. If it's always done that, the question becomes: Why are Dim Pro and Rapture suddenly paying attention to it?
 
In the mean time, I'll keep looking for a way to turn it off or block it. Maybe something about playing all those notes with the sustain down turned it on...?
2010/09/02 15:31:44
ba_midi
I checked the RD-300s manual, and am not seeing away to turn this off. If it's always done that, the question becomes: Why are Dim Pro and Rapture suddenly paying attention to it?

 
Maybe Sonar 9 is actually going to send Note Offs? ;)
 
 
2010/09/02 15:42:59
Sijel
seeing how many notes I could play simultaneously a la the load test described by the OP in the "Problem with the SONAR CPU meter please....?" thread

 
Sounds like you can not replicate the CPU issue he was seeing.  I can't either.
2010/09/02 16:17:29
brundlefly
ba_midi



I checked the RD-300s manual, and am not seeing away to turn this off. If it's always done that, the question becomes: Why are Dim Pro and Rapture suddenly paying attention to it?
 
Maybe Sonar 9 is actually going to send Note Offs? ;)
As far as I can figure out. The MIDI standard says a synth should ignore All Notes Off if Sustain is on. Apparently there have been other synths that have this issue, much to the chagrin of other Roland keyboard owners. What mysitifies me is that I never encountered it before. Right before this all happened, I was sustaining a bunch of notes with nothing held but the sustain pedal.
 
Something seems to have changed somewhere.
2010/09/02 16:41:04
ba_midi
brundlefly


ba_midi



I checked the RD-300s manual, and am not seeing away to turn this off. If it's always done that, the question becomes: Why are Dim Pro and Rapture suddenly paying attention to it?
 
Maybe Sonar 9 is actually going to send Note Offs? ;)
As far as I can figure out. The MIDI standard says a synth should ignore All Notes Off if Sustain is on. Apparently there have been other synths that have this issue, much to the chagrin of other Roland keyboard owners. What mysitifies me is that I never encountered it before. Right before this all happened, I was sustaining a bunch of notes with nothing held but the sustain pedal.
 
Something seems to have changed somewhere.
I'm guessing you did the latest Dim Pro update?   Something may have changed, indeed.
 
2010/09/02 16:53:50
brundlefly
ba_midi


brundlefly


ba_midi



I checked the RD-300s manual, and am not seeing away to turn this off. If it's always done that, the question becomes: Why are Dim Pro and Rapture suddenly paying attention to it?
 
Maybe Sonar 9 is actually going to send Note Offs? ;)
As far as I can figure out. The MIDI standard says a synth should ignore All Notes Off if Sustain is on. Apparently there have been other synths that have this issue, much to the chagrin of other Roland keyboard owners. What mysitifies me is that I never encountered it before. Right before this all happened, I was sustaining a bunch of notes with nothing held but the sustain pedal.
 
Something seems to have changed somewhere.
I'm guessing you did the latest Dim Pro update?   Something may have changed, indeed. 
Yes, but whatever it is has affected the old v1.2 x64 DXi, and x86 VSTi and Rapture as well. 
 


2010/09/02 21:48:44
ba_midi
Yes, but whatever it is has affected the old v1.2 x64 DXi, and x86 VSTi and Rapture as well.

 
So the question then seems -- what ELSE has changed in your setup/system?
 
 
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