ORIGINAL: Ogis

Because drummers are the worst musicians in a band.

Let me explain something to you. Drummers have a NATURAL feel for rhythm. When you put a metrodome (I know I spelled that wrong) to us, you throw us off. Simple as that. We have our own feel, within our head. As soon as we start to feel someting outside our own natural rhythm, we get thrown off. Its not a simple 4 count on a hi hat, its in us.

Well put! Precisely why The Beatles became GREAT when Ringo joined the band. Until then they didn't have that "spark" which is greatness.

This threads drug on way to long..........

Why is it very easy to play guitar or bass to a clicktrack, but very difficult to play drums to a click??

Seriously?................You haven't practiced enough.

Drummers (and other instrumentalists) with accurate time sense are very hard to find. How many of us have had to stop a rehearsal and say, "You're rushing it." or "You're slowing down, it's dragging." to the drummer or other players in the band. I think we guitarist/songwriters play well with click now a days simply because that is what we have when we are by ourselves. Why should a drummer play with a click in his studio, he is the click. It's all about practice and what you're used to. Of all the bands I have been a part of, only one of them had a drummer with accurate time sense and he was a joy to play along with. Whenever we performed in front of other musicians he was the star after the show and we all knew it was just a matter of time before he moved on.

ORIGINAL: Sid Viscous

Here's an example of how screwed up drummers are:
I write the vocals
I write the guitars
I write the bass
but if I even dare to make a suggestion about a drum part, the drummer freaks

Time for a new drummer then.

Has anyone heard of any sequencing software or hardware that is able to play the sequence in a tempo that is set by the drummer in real-time via the actual drum beat (and via suitable controller like e-kit) so that, essentially, the sequencer is playing to the drummer and not vice versa?

ORIGINAL: Ogis
Drummers have a NATURAL feel for rhythm. When you put a metrodome (I know I spelled that wrong) to us, you throw us off.

Just keep practising mate.
You'll get it eventually.

ORIGINAL: newbie1000

Has anyone heard of any sequencing software or hardware that is able to play the sequence in a tempo that is set by the drummer in real-time via the actual drum beat (and via suitable controller like e-kit) so that, essentially, the sequencer is playing to the drummer and not vice versa?

http://circular-logic.com/

Check out the videos!

i like 8th note hats for a click - very loud in the cans - then as long as you are in time, your hats and the click merge into one. "dominant" drummers are generally unable to record to a click - after decades of considering themselves "the boss" of the timekeeping, they just cant bow down to a metronomic feel.

most commercial click drummers are metronomic and a bit lacking in feel. the famous and highly paid ones know when to push or pull

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ORIGINAL: mildew

most commercial click drummers are metronomic and a bit lacking in feel. the famous and highly paid ones know when to push or pull

m

I don't agree with this statement. I've played with many drummers, even quite famous ones (yes, you'd know their names if I mentioned them). Good drummers, like any other musician, can play well in just about any situation. Bad ones can't. Usually good drummers, like any other musician, have good and workable attitudes, bad ones don't.

When a musician works for me, they play using my rules - #1 rule: I don't hire attitudes, I hire musicians.

i mean the pro drummers who play on adverts / tribute bands / "in the pit"

natural groove can be the enemy of a click track. guys who have full rudimental and reading skills, but who lack funk tend to fill the workmanlike drummer roles. i know guys who can sightread to a click bang on, but are boring at a jam session.

the best drummers of course have both.

re all the drummer hate in this thread - we all know they bring it on themselves. i allways wondered why drummers were so dumb, but when i started drumming in bands i realised that its playing the drums that makes you dumb! - no chords or notes to remember, no lyrics to learn, 4/4 scam all the changes - drummers hardly ever have to apply themselves, so they hardly ever do. they think its just all fun bashing.


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