ORIGINAL: FretWizz

ORIGINAL: Ogis
Drummers have a NATURAL feel for rhythm. When you put a metrodome (I know I spelled that wrong) to us, you throw us off.

Just keep practising mate.
You'll get it eventually.

Like I said, I can't play to a click, as I can't HEAR the click. I never said I can't keep straight time. After years of playing, if I still couldn't keep time, I'd of sold my kit ages ago. I can however play to a needle. I don't see why people act as it that is so strange ? Let me listen to the music. That needle clicks to, put it where everyone can hear it, and I can see it, and I can play to it. In the end what's the difference ? All I am tring to say is, that I try so hard o HEAR the click, I get thrown off. It's like if I was playing some Pantera type stuff and tring to hear someone whisper to me from across the room at the same time, it's just going to screw me up, I'd do better to use my own natural rhythm. It's not that I can't keep a tempo, because put a needle in front of me, and I'll stay with it fine, if I play something VERY light I can keep to a click, I just rarely play anything light. I don't get why that's so hard to understand ? But, nonetheless, my kit was stolen last year, by my crackhead neighbor, who is still in prision for it. And I can't afford 5 + grand for a new kit, so, it really doesn't matter anymore either way...

Oh, and as to drummers being dumb, no... That's like saying black people are dumb, or white people are dumb, or Mexicans are drumb. That's just wrong. Drummers may be crazy, but think about it, at least we dont play something that everyone and their mother, little sister, and 5 cousins play, the guitar. I mean you can pick up a guitar at a pawn shop for 50 bucks, and acustic for cheaper, and play it ANYTIME you want. Drums are 5 grand + for a basic 5 peice kit, if name brand. Even if you get some Mapex from a pawn shop they are gonna be over 500 dollars. And we can't hardly ever practice, unless we have a sound proff room, and what startig musician has that ? Not to mention, the amount of room theyt take up, and how much of a pain it is carring them around to gigs, etc... We'd have to be crazy to ever want to start playing the drums. So while all you that said we are dumb, play your little guitars, like everyone else on the planet, just be glad we drumers took so much sacrafice to play an instrument that is so important to the band.

holy guacamole, this thread is THREE PAGES? That's hilarious. Are people really such drummer-hata's?

You ask anybody who has been in a band, a good drummer is worth their weight in gold.

If you take any project-studio project, especially electronic, and ask the question of how do you make it a worthwhile live experience, the answer is ALWAYS live drummer. FIRST (maybe taking exception of a Genesis-scale light show of course) and foremost.

Plus the answer to the original question is so obvious to everyone and has been stated here a billion times: groove. Hell, the MAJOR new feature in S6 which just came out is specifically tailored to trying to harness this component.

Three pages... man this is good stuff. More drummer fights!!!

the best recording drummers are bass players / keyboard players that just happen to play a bit of drums on the side. they are used to actually listening to the sounds the other people in making, not just egoing over the top.

i have played drums/bass/keys/guit/vox/bv's in band for decades. i know what im talking about when i say drumming makes you dumb.

if you only play the drums you are not really a musician. learn an instrument with notes, and PLEASE learn to set up your kit in under an hour:)


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ORIGINAL: mildew

the best recording drummers are bass players / keyboard players that just happen to play a bit of drums on the side. they are used to actually listening to the sounds the other people in making, not just egoing over the top.

i have played drums/bass/keys/guit/vox/bv's in band for decades. i know what im talking about when i say drumming makes you dumb.

if you only play the drums you are not really a musician. learn an instrument with notes, and PLEASE learn to set up your kit in under an hour:)


m

Have you lost your mind ? Or are you just tring to make yourself look bad ? Percussion isn't worth you even being considered a musican ? WTF are you talking about ? I mean, making YOURSELF look dumb isn't a good idea when tring to call me drumb.

BTW, I play keys, and bass also, but do you see me pretending to be better than I am because of it ? No. This thread is about drums. Talk about ego's, I think you need to check yours at the door on the way in... I could say more, but I'm being nice.

thank you saturday saint.
in-time is great.

i wanted to offer my 2 cents.
i think that "groove" is just tempo imperfections and velocity variation.
alot of people mention groove like its a totally mysterious concept that eludes definition.
but its not.

ORIGINAL: mildew

the best recording drummers are bass players / keyboard players that just happen to play a bit of drums on the side. they are used to actually listening to the sounds the other people in making, not just egoing over the top.

i have played drums/bass/keys/guit/vox/bv's in band for decades. i know what im talking about when i say drumming makes you dumb.

if you only play the drums you are not really a musician. learn an instrument with notes, and PLEASE learn to set up your kit in under an hour:)


m

Drumming doesn't make YOU dumb. Your fingers are doing a good job by themselves.

Again, you must only play crappy music.

ORIGINAL: dorkdog
But not just off-on ; it would have to be a ramp effect - triangular or sinusoidal brightness response. Think of it this way - a conductor is an analog stimulus - a click is a digital stimulus. We can sense rate of change between beats thru a conductor - you can't with a click.

this will be a good sonar feature.

for certain situations, a on/off metronome tends to bring about anxiety, because you immediately feel your 'mistake' even if you are just a little bit off. and as more of that happens and accumulates along the way, you just become more anxious about your own performance and begin to make mistakes out of the anxiety - eventually, you get thrown off the beat.

of course, the on/off metronome is great for practising and precision recordings. i like to use this on/off metronome myself. i suppose the key thing is to relax, which is also a very fundamental factor in controlling your instrument well.

with the 'analog' metronome, you can be in the ballpark and still be generally in time. but this wouldn't work if you play really fast or syncopated stuff. i would say using this 'analog' metronome would help people ease into the on/off metronome. i can also see how such a 'analog' metronome can be useful for many kinds of songs.

Whether it be drummers, keyboard players, bass players, etc., QUALITY musicians can USE a metronome and not let themselves become a slave to it. With my band, you can hear the groove when you listen to the playback. None of us are dead on for every beat, BUT we USE the metronome as the bottom of the musical pyramid. The rest of us build on that. When you learn to USE the click, it brings great FREEDOM to rhythm section.

Funny...this whole thread reminds me of the joke...

How does a rock & roll drummer count to seven? 1-2-3-4-5-6-se-ven