Beepster
I am a huuuuuuuuge Dead Kennedy's fan. They are pretty much my favorite band

Love the Kennedy's.. also bands like MDC, Flipper, Coffin Break, just good rockin bands.
 i like what Batsbrew said about the emotion of the performance is more important than the quality.
well said.....

CSB...
 
The very FIRST lick I EVER learned/played/figured out on guitar was the main melody from the "Beverly Hills Cop" theme song. I was 10 or 11 and they had this totally mangled El Degas acoustic guit with three rusted out strings on it, just unbearable action and kind of smelly/moldy. They essentially had it out as decoration.
 
I went a little autistic on it so the next time I visited they just gave it to me and that was that.
 
So in a way the DX-7 (which I'm 99% sure is the synth used for the BHC theme song) played an integral role in me becoming the hopeless guitar addict I am.
 
or sumthin' like that.
 
 

Mojo Risen

Beepster
I am a huuuuuuuuge Dead Kennedy's fan. They are pretty much my favorite band

Love the Kennedy's.. also bands like MDC, Flipper, Coffin Break, just good rockin bands.
 i like what Batsbrew said about the emotion of the performance is more important than the quality.
well said.....

Have you ever listened to The Varukers? I think they were the ones to really nail not just the musicianship and energy but the "proper" (subjective) way to mix hardcore punk in the early days. Unfortunately no one paid much attention to those production values.
 
Hell, Nevermind the Bollocks had amazing (yet simple) production values and yet somehow most underground producers didn't pick up on it.
 
There is a very interesting production curiosity I've mentioned here before that this reminded me of and I think you'll appreciate this (or maybe already know) but one of the very first west coast hardcore albums (US) was by the Germs... who were just a horrendously bad (but somehow awesome) band musically. Most of the horrendousnous was due to Darby Crash's totally inept vocal timing.
 
Joan Jett took those loonjobs into the studio and managed to craft a pretty cool, smoothish yet still aggressive sounding album out of it.
 
That album is apparently considered the foundation of modern western hardcore.
 
So Joan Jett basically invented the "hardcore" studio sound that is still employed to this day in underground production.
 
Or so I've gleaned.

Screwit. I've been listening to mountains of old school punk/hardcore lately to get my own current project sounding "right" and I've been ignoring that Germs/JJ release but ya, got it going now.
 
The Germs - GI (maybe NSFW language)
 
And yup... there's that bass/kick/snare pumping action/up front vox.
 
Guits are a little tinny (same issue with a lot of this old stuff) but with modern techniques that can be filled out juuuust enough to add some meat without obscuring the bass/kick dynamic.

tlw

jimmyrage music
I wouldn't think too many average listeners would care too much about listening to distorted phone recording of a number one hit.

There are countless phone-shot over-compressed and distorted videos on youtube to prove exactly the opposite.

I'm sure there are. Many that were probably watched with the volume very low or off. Or cut off after the first 3 notes. 

michaelhanson

eph221

Team Green
So like if a tree falls... I mean like if you're in the forest and there's no sound... well it's something like that anyway !!!!

 
That's what's so funny about that zen thing.  You start off the sentence saying the tree fell....it's pretty obvious the tree actually fell unless it's fake news?

Or did the forest rise up to meet the tree?

No, the statement is *a tree falls in the forest and....there's nobody there to see it.*  You start the sentence saying, the tree fell...so it must have fallen.

eph221
No, the statement is *a tree falls in the forest and....there's nobody there to see it.*  You start the sentence saying, the tree fell...so it must have fallen.

I'm going to assume you are being cleverly/intentionally obtuse but that's not the premise of the thought experiment nor even the original statement...
 
"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
 
It's not whether the tree has fallen. The tree falling is acknowledged as fact. It happened.
 
The question is whether, if unobserved by a human (or other animal's) auditory system and the attached grey matter to process it, does it actually make a "sound".
 
My answer to that is... it depends on what you mean by "sound" (and whether or not you believe the laws of physics and universe in general exists once you leave the room... which is the true point of the question).
 
If a tree falls in the physical universe as we currently understand it then it will throw air (sound waves) exactly the same way whether or not your and my dumb ass is in the front row with a bag of warm peanuts.
 
But that's not the point. It literally is about how you view yourself in the universe.
 
Does everything else cease to exist if you are not there?
 
A: It does not.

I thought it was more about realizing that it's you that makes sound, not the environment.  You and I will never hear the same sound, the same way, because sound is our biological translation of we call sound waves.  There's no reason to believe a tree actually "sounds" like that - only that the way humans are designed they will typically detect waves in the air such that a tree would "sound" a particular way to them. 
 
Same with sight, and all the rest.  There's no reason to believe what you see is how things look, only how YOUR biology would translate it.  
 
As to the part about whether or not things exist when you're not there, you will never have an answer to that.  There is no way to prove you or anyone else or anything else exists.  About all you can be sure of, is that you are a thinking thing.  And some philosophers even take issue with that.  

Yamaha DX7 is a classic.
 
http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/dx7.php
 
This is the sound of the Roland XP10. The whole point with it was that it had MIDI GS. It "had" all the sound you needed. But it was not a good sound. You people dont like to listen to this because of the sound. If it was better sounds and bad production it would be much better.
 
https://soundcloud.com/oy.../life-the-suite-part-2

My point is sort of, if your guitar sounds bad you can put on the best mics/preamps, EQ, compression and so on, but you wont make gold out of it.