Beepster
Naw. It's mostly guitar nerd stuff. I haven't been able to track full on vox since I've actually had the gear to do so (had to abandon my bandroom(s) so got into home nerdlingery).
 
There are old (crappy) recordings of me doin' Cobain and/or Grohl but nothin' readily available.
 
I actually got more into Shane MacGowan and Luke Kelly for vocal stuff later on.
 
These days I think if I really opened up I'd end up sounding like something gurgling up from Leonard Cohen's grave.
 
May he RIP.

Leonard Cohen from the grave would still sound better then Dylan these days...

I found the punk rock movie. the punk scene in the UK 1978
https://youtu.be/Ma_HhveHsEo

Thanks. I think I may have seen that one but will check it out (again if that is the case).
 
In return here is a doc from the Toronto punk scene in 83-84.
 
Not Dead Yet
 
Sound is really low/bad but yeah... freaking weirdos.
 
I was like 7 yo when that was made but know a disturbing amount of the people featured.
 
lulz

Beepster

eph221
No, the statement is *a tree falls in the forest and....there's nobody there to see it.*  You start the sentence saying, the tree fell...so it must have fallen.

I'm going to assume you are being cleverly/intentionally obtuse but that's not the premise of the thought experiment nor even the original statement...
 
"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
 
It's not whether the tree has fallen. The tree falling is acknowledged as fact. It happened.
 
The question is whether, if unobserved by a human (or other animal's) auditory system and the attached grey matter to process it, does it actually make a "sound".
 
My answer to that is... it depends on what you mean by "sound" (and whether or not you believe the laws of physics and universe in general exists once you leave the room... which is the true point of the question).
 
If a tree falls in the physical universe as we currently understand it then it will throw air (sound waves) exactly the same way whether or not your and my dumb ass is in the front row with a bag of warm peanuts.
 
But that's not the point. It literally is about how you view yourself in the universe.
 
Does everything else cease to exist if you are not there?
 
A: It does not.

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We're talking about *the observer's paradox*: a situation in which the phenomenon being observed is unwittingly influenced by the presence of the observer/investigator.  If the tree falls, then it fell, it's not both fallen and not fallen at the same time.  That's the situation simply because the thought experiment begins with, the tree fell.  The both/and of the thought experiment is made either/or by the first statement.  As for *does the universe cease to exist when I'm not observing it?*  I'm not sure.  

Yes, yes. The world goes away when you aren't around.
 
*eye yawn*

Beepster
Yes, yes. The world goes away when you aren't around.
 
*eye yawn*

As far as your question, does it make a sound.  That would depend upon a lot of things that we don't have information of, like it's location in the woods, whether there were other trees around, whether the ground was soggy or dry...etc  Given the information on those conditions, we can infer that it made a sound, WHEN IT ACTUALLY FELL!!!!

Well you edited your thingie and mangled your format but yes...
 
It is similar to the Shrodinger's Cat thought experiment... which was actually a joke... that got taken far too seriously.
 
Just like if a tree falls in the forest, no matter who's listening, there are going to be sound waves created, if you stuff a cat into a box with a bunch of radioactive material... that cat be dead, yo.
 

BTW, and don't quote me on this, but I think the general consensus these days about the wave vs particle slit lamp experiment wackiness is that yes, it was actually the equipment observing the events causing the change.
 
However it still does not/did not disprove the "light is a wave AND a particle" theory.
 
 
 

I was more thinking of quantum entanglement, but you're right about the both/and of light.

eph221
quantum entanglement,

Now THAT be some freaky deaky McShneaky snizzwhizzle...
 
yo.