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2017/05/30 17:04:08
Sanderxpander
I'm only going to use it for basic musical sync tasks. Mostly backing vox, maybe the odd doubled guitar part. Hopefully I'll be able to withstand the urge to upgrade.

It would be nice for faux doubling but if the syncing works well and is adjustable it seems easier to actually double and then line both takes up.

Edit: it also seems trivial to "lock" sections, simply by leaving them out of the selection...?
2017/07/07 16:38:03
user390096
I purchased the cheap version of VocAlign and find it works very well for vocals but only if the vocal tracks are fairly identical to begin with and you don't try to do too many seconds worth of syncing at a time (maybe 3 to 4 seconds). If the "waves" are off by more than a few milliseconds it tends to lose control of where it supposed to sync things and can leave you with a mess. You may want to clone your tracks and save the originals and only subject your clones to the VocALign as it can mess things up quickly and its just easier and faster to delete the messed up tracks and re-clone and try it again with a shorter segment! And they said cloning couldn't happen in our time....
2017/07/07 17:37:02
chuckebaby
user390096
 re-clone and try it again with a shorter segment!




I work the same way in Vocal synch and Melodyne as well.
Work on short segments/fix small parts one at a time.
I know some people put it on the whole track but that seems to be a bit overwhelming for me.
And I don't think pitch correction software was ever intended to work that way (a whole track)
unless your using the T Pain effect or some thing.
2017/07/07 17:38:53
Paul G
VocAlign is easier to use than Melodyne?
 
TIA
 
Paul
2017/07/07 17:43:50
user390096
AFAIK, VocAlign only does timing and no pitch adjustments. For vocals I like the sound of double tracking so I sing/record the vocals twice on 2 tracks. Next I apply VocAlign, then I can do pitch adjustments in 2-track Melodyne. Works really well.
2017/07/07 17:47:09
chuckebaby
user390096
AFAIK, VocAlign only does timing and no pitch adjustments. For vocals I like the sound of double tracking so I sing/record the vocals twice on 2 tracks. Next I apply VocAlign, then I can do pitch adjustments in 2-track Melodyne. Works really well.


We live in same worlds.
I also double most of my vocal tracks (unless im looking for a single vocal track effect/type song).
It thickens up the vocals Vs. processing them to get that doubling effect, only getting it naturally.
I typically even triple or quadruple background vocals because once you have a dual vocal line back ups will sound thin unless they are beefed up.
2017/07/07 17:56:47
user390096
Yeah, singing twice usually sounds better than "fake doubling" but of course the singer has to be able to get it close the second time and have the stamina for maybe many retakes. In my case, I'm the lone singer so I can rest all I want, and do as many retakes as needed!
 
VocALign and Melodyne really make this a lot easier these days and I don't think any of this vocal tweaking was available to the average person even 5 years ago. Just sing it close enough and let the computers smooth things out.
2017/07/07 19:44:41
chuckebaby
The Waves Real ADT is pretty awesome. It has major uses.
I agree, It was only 10 years ago for me.. I was still using a 16 track reel to reel.
Recorded right the first time was the only option.
 
I still try and create that atmosphere in my studio. I hate needling things to death.
I love Melodyne for its uses but I only use it on segments that are totally in need to work.
I try not to rely on tools like Melodyne. I know a whole topic could fill up pages of debates.
But I find that "Magic is only captured in the moment, Not in editing". <- I should copyright that.
2017/07/07 23:36:01
chuckebaby
Thank you to the moderators for restoring my above comment.
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