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  • Sonar Platinum Crash after Crash after Crash! (p.6)
2016/05/10 23:27:11
Jesse G
OK,
 
I played a full song I created and I was able to listen to it all the way to the end.  OK, no big deal I have always been able to do this with no freezing. 
 
Next, I opened up a song I was working on containing both midi and recorded instruments.  As I was editing the song with my mouse, the song froze and I had to perform a restart of Windows 10.  
 
I then started a new song and used FXpansion BFD Eco and was successful at creating the drum track. 
 
I then added AD2 to created another drum track and that was successful too. 
 
I then added a DIM Pro piano part and had no problems,  I saved the project and closed Sonar.  I then re-opened the project and plugged in my Bass Guitar and started recording a bass part when the project froze,  
 
So there are no PNY (Nvidia) drivers or software on my computer. My PNY GeForce GTX 750 video card has been removed, I am using the motherboard built in video cards.  I performed a defragmentation on all of my installed hard drives, however Windows 10 defrags theses drives on it's own.
 
What's next????
2016/05/11 10:42:35
robert_e_bone
If you open Windows Event Viewer, does it show any critical errors around the time things froze?
 
Is it possible something loaded in the project is 32-bit?  (possible bridging failure with BitBridge)
 
If you open that project with Sonar in its Safe Mode, and skip loading of any effects, does it play without freezing?
 
Is there a sample rate mismatch between the project and the interface?
 
Bob Bone
 
2016/05/11 14:25:23
streckfus
Jesse G
OK,
 
I played a full song I created and I was able to listen to it all the way to the end.  OK, no big deal I have always been able to do this with no freezing. 
 
Next, I opened up a song I was working on containing both midi and recorded instruments.  As I was editing the song with my mouse, the song froze and I had to perform a restart of Windows 10.  
 
I then started a new song and used FXpansion BFD Eco and was successful at creating the drum track. 
 
I then added AD2 to created another drum track and that was successful too. 
 
I then added a DIM Pro piano part and had no problems,  I saved the project and closed Sonar.  I then re-opened the project and plugged in my Bass Guitar and started recording a bass part when the project froze,  
 
So there are no PNY (Nvidia) drivers or software on my computer. My PNY GeForce GTX 750 video card has been removed, I am using the motherboard built in video cards.  I performed a defragmentation on all of my installed hard drives, however Windows 10 defrags theses drives on it's own.
 
What's next????




I recently navigated through a crippling hardware-based failure and ended up building a new PC from scratch, and part of that process involved some heavy reading in Microsoft/Tech forums. While not SONAR-specific, a LOT of similar behavior was observed in Windows 10, and the common thread was this: users who took advantage of the free upgrade to Windows 10 without doing a fresh install ran into freezes, crashes, lock-ups, etc. Users who upgraded to get their new product key, then did a full, clean install of Windows 10 did not tend to run into the same problems. 
 
Not that anyone likes having to take the time to back up data, perform clean installs, then reinstall a bunch of software, but that seems to be the most trouble-free method of upgrading to Windows 10.
 
I'd of course hate for you to go through that hassle only to find out it didn't make a lick of difference, but it may be something to consider. In my case, after buying brand new components, I attempted to bring over my Windows 7 system drive and I ran into issues, then tried to do the free Windows 10 upgrade, still ran into issues. After I did a clean install with updated drivers for all motherboard/hardware components, it's been rock solid.  (Granted, my situation was a bit different because I was attempting to run Windows 7 on brand new hardware, but in your case if all else fails, perhaps a clean install is worth a try.)
2016/05/11 16:17:44
Jesse G
I am going to toss my DAW, my studio equipment and my instruments into the dumpster and take up basket weaving.  At least with that I just have to get the right woody vines and my hands to begin weaving.
 
Don't bother me while I am weaving
2016/05/11 16:27:20
chuckebaby
sorry to hear that Jesse.
I had a gigabyte 78lmt-s2 similar to yours that I just ditched because I upgraded to an Intel I7 4790k LGA 1150.
that's the one I was talking about that I pulled my G610 out of.
I actually had great results on that board / CPU, it just wasn't fast - fast (like the I7 is turbo boost speed)
as this new build, I built the other one as well. (strictly for sonar)
 
trust me, im not a homeboy that will tell you its not sonar just because I like the software, 
I've had my grips with this software and made them known here.
 
but in your case, it sounds like there is a conflict between either hardware or possibly a plug in.
you shouldn't be getting any freezes by simply doing a bass track or using plug ins that came with sonar.
I feel for you and am sorry for your frustration.
 
 
what about external devices ? is it just the Octa-Capture plugged in when getting these freezes ?
2016/05/11 17:18:00
Merwyn
robert_e_bone
Glad your project is able to work now.
 
The initial release and early life of Rapture Pro was a bit flaky, but it seems to be feeling much better these days, and I encourage you to look at picking that up as a replacement to Dimension Pro.  Rapture Pro plays the Dim Pro sounds, AND has a bunch of other really nice sounding ones - it seems to be a cross between Dim Pro and Rapture, so it give you some nice layered sounds.  GREAT pads.
 
Bob Bone
 


Hello Robert
 
Thanks for the tip regarding Rapture Pro. I've checked out my Rapture which doesn't include Dim Pro sounds and suspect it's not Rapture Pro although the Dim Pro sounds appear in Rapture Session...which is good, but the Gilmour sound I am using sounds quite different in Rapture Session and I don't seem to be able to edit it as I could in Dim Pro. Is Rapture Pro something I need to buy separate from Sonar Platinum?
2016/05/11 17:33:10
Bristol_Jonesey
Yep, it's a separate purchase
2016/05/11 18:50:39
robert_e_bone
Here is the product page for it: http://www.cakewalk.com/Products/Rapture
 
It appears that there is a demo available for it - might be worth checking out, since that is free.
 
IF you were wanting to buy it - it looks like the regular full price is $149, but there seems to be an upgrade option to upgrade to it from the regular Rapture, for possibly $79 from Cakewalk, or $99 from one of the dealers.
 
If it can be picked up for $79 or even $99, it would give you a bunch of nice sounds - but perhaps trying out the demo would be prudent - to make sure it worked for your system first.
 
Bob Bone
 
2016/05/11 22:50:23
Jesse G
chuckebaby
but in your case, it sounds like there is a conflict between either hardware or possibly a plug in.
you shouldn't be getting any freezes by simply doing a bass track or using plug ins that came with sonar.
I feel for you and am sorry for your frustration.
 
what about external devices ? is it just the Octa-Capture plugged in when getting these freezes ?




When I get the freezing in Sonar Platinum, I have my Octa-Capture audio interface, Motu Microlite Midi interface, My M-Audio Trigger Finger, My M-Audio Radium 49, My Korg TR-61 Workstation, My Presonus Eureka Preamp, My Lexicon MX 2000, My Mackie Control Unit, and my Mackie Big Knob connected Connected.
 
All works well with any other software except for Sonar, Also, when the freezing occured, I didn't have any plugins Only the BFD Eco Drum synth, the AD2 drum synth, and Dim Pro for keys.
2016/05/12 01:58:26
The Grim
streckfus
 
I recently navigated through a crippling hardware-based failure and ended up building a new PC from scratch, and part of that process involved some heavy reading in Microsoft/Tech forums. While not SONAR-specific, a LOT of similar behavior was observed in Windows 10, and the common thread was this: users who took advantage of the free upgrade to Windows 10 without doing a fresh install ran into freezes, crashes, lock-ups, etc. Users who upgraded to get their new product key, then did a full, clean install of Windows 10 did not tend to run into the same problems. 
 



i have 4 systems upgraded to windows 10, 3 of them were in place upgrades and 1 was a clean install of windows 10 with a copy purchased from microsoft. i have found absolutely 0 difference between any of them with regards to speed stability or problems of any sort, they all work as flawlessly as the other. although i don't use sonar much at all now and i am leaving it at manchester i had no issue at all whether it be running on a machine with an in place install or clean install of windows 10. my 2 main daws and associated music programs run flawlessly on all machines regardless of whether they are on machines that had an in place upgrade or clean install of windows 10. i would advise people to not be afraid of the in place upgrade and save themselves a huge amount of time and hassle and try via the in place upgrade as apposed to having to reinstall everything etc that comes with a clean install. my experience and that of many many others are testament to the fact that generally speaking the in place upgrade to windows 10 works perfectly well and is completely indistinguishable from a clean install in all areas, performance. reliability you name it. of course there is always the exception to the rule, but it is certainly worth it to try the in place upgrade with your setup before doing a clean install. half an hour/ 1 hour of time for in place upgrade is certainly much more desirable than many hours even days of downtime and hassle that a clean install involves
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