2013/11/23 14:01:19
TCRGuitar
Hi all,
 
Im new to the forum...this is my first post.  Ive had Music Creator 6 for about 2 years.  Not being a music producer by trade, Ive had to really dig and figure out the nuances with tutorials etc.
 
Question 1:
My problem right now is after I figure out how to actually load an SI drums beat into specific track, I tried to record my guitar in beat with the drum beat...the problem is that when I arm the track and then hit record it simply records the si drum beat again and not my guitar...probably something simple Im not figuring, but I cant figure it out...any suggestions?
 
Question 2:
I recently subscribed to Dooley drums and Simon Phillips drums downloads just to have an extra variety of beats.  But for the life of me I cannot figure out how to import those beats into a track on Music Creator 6.  I try to drag it and it wont let me.  Is there another way to import them?  I was told that music creator only accepts up to 32 bit...well the beats I am importing are only 16 and 24 bit...so they should be compatible?
 
I can only hear the drums when i select driver mode MME-32 bit, the problem is when i go to record my guitar I have switch the driver mode back to WDM/KS...when I do that I cant hear the drum beats...lol.  Is there a way to select a driver mode that I can hear the drumbeats and record my guitar to those beats without switching back and forth to the drivers?
 
Any help is much appreciated...thank you.
 
Troy
 
2013/11/24 07:32:46
Guitarhacker
Welcome.
 
Be sure the input to the track is set to the guitar source input only.  I think there's something in the windows volume control window that needs to be checked or unchecked  but I'm not sure about that.
 
on the beats.... they should be wave file loops. Simply know where they are on the computer. In MC click on a track to select it and highlight it. Have the now maker where you want the loop to go, and select File>Import>audio> and navigate to that file and click it. You should see it import to that track and point you chose. You can drag it around once it's in the track.
2013/11/24 14:39:15
grizwalter
Hmmm, ok.
Thing 1: I think guitarhacker has it right--has to be an input issue. When you drag the beat from SI-Drums into a track, is it a softsynth track or a midi one though? Make sure a softsynth track's output is set to Master and a midi channel set to the Softsynth and proper midi channel (1 will work without issue as your channel for SI-Drums).
 
Then on the input to the audio track to which you want to record, make sure the input for your preamp or microphone is selected, which should, if you're running things the best (and really only) way, be running into an audio interface before going to your computer. So the interface would be the input.
 
Thing 2: I am not familiar with those subscriptions you mentioned, but again guitarhacker seems to be, so if they are WAV files, then unlike the beats you drag into tracks from SI-Drum Kit, they would need to be dragged into an audio one. Of course, if no track exists in advance, they should be generating one automatically when you drag and drop, so I'm hoping maybe you just didn't think of that and have been trying to drag to a midi/synth track.
2013/11/25 19:28:50
TCRGuitar
Thank you both for your replies...I was able to figure out question 2...for whatever reason the audio files needed to  be moved to the library/documents...then they can be dragged to MC...lol...actually my daughter figured that one out.
 
On question 2:  I cannot change the input of my recording device because the only way I can hear the SI drum track is to switch the audio driver to MME-32.  When I switch to MME-32 it will not record my guitar.  To record my guitar I have to switch back to the WDM/KS driver...then I can record with guitar, but I cant hear the drums.
 
I called cakewalk today and he suggested I download the ASIO drivers applicable to my recording device (Fender Mustang III amp).  It still doesnt work...all the asio drives are installed, but it didnt fix the problem.
 
I recently purchased a new computer with a lot more memory that could handle the programs and recordings I need to do...everything was working perfectly until I tried the two questions above.  I just cant figure it out and I dont know where to look to find the answers.  It seems pretty cut and dry...I want to record guitar in beat with the SI drums...I need to be able to hear the drums to do that...lol...how do i do it...Ive spent hours trying to figure this out.
 
Thank you both for your help, but I still have the same problems.
2013/11/25 20:15:31
grizwalter
I must ask this question: Do you use an audio interface to go to and from your computer (for recording and monitoring)? If not, the beginning of your problem is becoming clear.
2013/11/25 21:34:09
TCRGuitar
Hi Griz,
 
Not sure what you mean by the audio interface for recording.  I use my Mustang III amp and record thru that...as far as the other audio output, its just Logitech computer speakers with realtek on computer.
 
My Mustang III amp has a USB that connect to computer...when I turn the amp on it registers automatically with MC...so the input changes to "Mustang amp" ....then its as simple as arming the track I want to record on and then pushing the top record button to record my guitar.  I used to be able to hear the other tracks and I would record my guitar to the beat of those tracks.  Now, since I updated my computer, the other tracks have to be in driver mode MME-32 to be heard...and the track I wish to record my guitar on has to be in driver mode WDM/KS...Problem is its one or the other.  I cant (or havnt found a way) have guitar in WDM and the other tracks in MME-32.  Switching the driver mode changes all the tracks to that mode, which Im sure you already know.
 
I really have to get this figured out or the entire program is useless to me and I will have to move on to something else.
 
I really appreciate your help.
2013/11/25 21:34:09
TCRGuitar
Dupe
2013/11/25 23:07:33
grizwalter
Ok, well what I mean by how you are interfacing is, what you're using to go from your guitar to the computer directly, then from the computer to the speakers directly. It sounds like you are using no audio interface, and that is almost certainly part of the problem.
 
An audio interface is basically a box which you can run everything into, and everything out of--in other words, one driver for in and out.  For instance, I use a USB Dual Pre which has stereo 1/4" and stereo XLR ins, and the stereo 1/4" and stereo 1/8" to my speakers/headphones. So let's say I'm recording a vocal track. My mic is hooked into the Dual Pre, NOT directly to the computer (even though it does have a USB connection, but I don't do it that way because of the exact problems you're describing), which then runs USB to my computer. Then, to hear the sound back, it runs through that USB back to the Dual Pre and from there I have connected my speakers.
 
So, when I go into preferences in MC6T, I have my Dual Pre as both the Recording and Playback device.
 
Do you follow me on that?
 
I can't absolutely, beyond any shadow of a doubt, say that your problem is in this area, but the switching back and forth of drivers, and the problems you're having getting everything to work together nicely, it is certainly very likely to be that you are setting your input and output devices to two separate things, rather than one "hub," if you will.
 
I hope that makes sense. My bets are on that being the first thing to look at to resolve the problem.
 
If everything I just told you, you already know, I do apologize. But from your description of the setup, there is no Audio Interface in the story--that is, not one that is a two way interface built for this purpose.
 
PS: Here's a video about recording audio. This is in MC6, but it works the same in this regard exactly as MC6T. The first thing he does is show the interface and how it works.
2013/11/25 23:42:15
scook
Actually the Mustang III amp is an audio interface and that is part of the problem. Because the internal sound chip (another audio interface) does not have a working WDM/KS driver you cannot use it while using the Mustang in WDM/KS recording mode. On the other hand, the Mustang probably does not work in MME. If the Mustang has and ASIO driver (which is a possibility) that won't solve the problem because the ASIO specification only permits one I/O driver at a time.
 
So what to do? The traditional solution would be to use a more conventional audio interface, there are many to choose from at all price levels, and mike up the amp. Another possibility may be using USB connected Mustang with a conventional audio interface in WDM/KS mode. The WDM/KS mode does work with multiple drivers. Finally ASIO4ALL might be able to consolidate your Mustang and internal sound chip drivers into a single "Driver" for MC6. It would cost nothing but time to find out. Keep in mind that you internal sound chip was not designed for DAW use from http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/hwsetup.aspx?dm=mme&man=Realtek
 
Please note: Realtekaudio cards are generally provided with your computer. They are designed for general media playback and, though they will work with Cakewalk software, you would get better performance using a device designed specifically for audio recording.
2013/11/26 00:14:53
TCRGuitar
Thank you both for your replies...i think I am beginning to understand and yes my amp is working as the interface...i plug my guitar into the amp....usb from amp to computer...select amp as input...hit record.
 
I understand that getting an interface as you both suggest would definitely solve the problem...it just bothers me that in the past I have been able to record while listening to the other tracks with no problem.  Is it because I have added the SI drums that throws the other tracks out of whack?
 
Previously I have imported drum tracks from an outside source and then recorded my guitar no problem while listening to the track.   I just dont understand what the settings were that allowed me to do that.
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