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2017/06/18 02:22:02
gh4267
Ok I've built a 32 track Kont instance with 64 outs or 32 stereo... BUT  there is ONLY AUDIO :(  So i start adding individual midi tracks, to pair up BUT my keyboard is set on midi ch 1, I sure can't run OMNI...  I sure don't want to switch midi channels everytime switching from this to that...HELP!!
 
I've made a template, assigned the Kont Aux's to not connected, saved and backed and templated
 
awaiting the next step
 
thx in advance
 
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2017/06/18 15:58:53
mudgel
One of our members, rob bone has created a tutorial on setting Kontakt up properly in Splat.

Here's a link. https://1drv.ms/w/s!Ahg7GEVUP0HfunkrOR1Fbrn72zMj
2017/06/18 17:37:30
gh4267
When i did entered ini, it worked right away no close open needed i just went to add Kont, and could see what was what.
 
Once i added a midi track and got a piano playing in my 32/64, i attempted to "make instrument" to which i got the error message, " must have both audio and midi assigned to same" which IT was... playing and all, YET no instrument track. I spose with all the tracks... it gets deep
 
  I should have followed Hel Razor for double midi/audio insert from the gate, yet i see others who do only the audio stuff, and ???  People leave out tricks in their Tutorials sometimes...
 
I could not get midi to flow without switching midi on my keyboard...
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2017/06/18 17:51:52
gh4267
One more detail... as I play around with the 32/64 upon hitting solo... THEY ALL LIGHT UP,  NOT COOL.
 
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2017/06/18 19:01:23
gh4267
Ok Dave aka HelRazor...  SPlat or newer Kont does not seem to rename the outs as each instrument AND i notice your using OMNI midi in... when I do this its a a complete cloister Puck....  But I didn't clone the tracks...  working on it still...  mmmm
 
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2017/06/18 19:06:42
gh4267
mudgel... that tut is X3 and older kont... stuff done changed...  When i get the winning combo... i may make a poormans asio4all kontakt 16 out tut, CURRENT VERSION SPECIFIC.  
 
How do folks run a 32 / 64?  it must be omni?  is this the magic bullet?????
 
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2017/06/18 19:43:14
msorrels
Kontakt (and all SONAR vst instruments) only has 16 MIDI channels for input.  In stand-alone mode Kontakt has more MIDI ports (each with 16 channels) but as a VST there is only one input port.  So you are limited to 16 MIDI channels for control.  While you can setup 32/64 outputs in Kontakt, you can only have 16 unique inputs.  Some Kontatkt instruments (for example complex drum kits) may have multiple outputs but still be one instrument/use one MIDI channel.  As a result of this, it is isn't useful to load dozens of instruments into one instance of Kontakt.  The only advantage is when more than one instrument all share the same samples.  If the instruments don't share the exact same samples the advantages are almost zero.
 
With the most recent SONAR the easiest way to setup Kontakt involves not changing the names of the 3 Kontakt plugins in the plugin-manager but rather renaming them inside SONAR's instrument browser (with it set to Sort by Category).  Renaming it there will stay with the plugin through new releases of Kontakt and will survive a plugin re-scan (both of which will cause name changes made in the plugin manager to be reset/lost).  The other option of using the INI file option for VSTPluginNameOption has other side effects on name change. I can't remember exactly what it was, something about changing the names of all the plugins to things that I felt were worse,  I only remember hating it, but it might also work for you.
 
Inside Kontakt it's best to setup the output channels so you can easily assign an instrument to the correct outputs.  Then in SONAR when you create an audio track and choose a Kontakt audio output, it's easy to assign that output to the instrument.  To do this, inside Kontakt show the Output mixer panel.  At the top is a button/drop down labeled "Presets / Batch Configuration".  Setup a number of extra output channels by hitting the + (plus sign) in the Outputs pannel.  I have 6 outputs called SND1 through SND6.  Setup to output as 1|2, 3|4, 5|6, 7|8, 9|10.  Then save that as a preset and make it the default for VST Plugin (and maybe defaults for VST Plugin (8 Out) and VST Plugin (16 Out)).  I'd do this inside SONAR since in stand alone mode Kontakt has limits on outputs based on the hardware driver you pick.  Unless your sound card has tons of outputs you may not be able to setup everything like you can when it's a VST plugin.
 
Then all you have to do is pick SND1-6 in the instrument (those names show up in the output drop down inside Kontakt) to quickly setup the output.  I have a SONAR template with audio tracks with the correct Kontakt audio outs routed to them and MIDI tracks with channels 1-6.  This way I can easily load up 6 instruments with 6 separate output.  You could do 8 of course (or more), but I didn't bother setting up things I'd never need.  That whole rigging (audio channels in SONAR and Kontakt with the pre-defined output channels with friendly names) I have saved as a Track Template.  So not only can I use the full Project template, I can also insert it as a track template.
 
Here's what my Kontakt looks like, notice the sound channels already setup and in use by the instrument:

2017/06/18 20:49:42
gh4267
Got that goin Matt, the one thing is if each kontakt instrument is carefully routed then the midi tracks seem to function fine, (thus far) with OMNI in from my keyboard allowing 32 in one instance... if my PC can handle that.
 
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2017/06/18 22:01:57
msorrels
OMNI just means the Kontakt instrument will accept ANY channel input.  So yes you could load 32 instruments all set to MIDI Omni and drive all of them with one keyboard/one MIDI track.  But they would all get the exact same notes at the exact same times.  Odds are you are going to want a bit more flexibility than that.
 
The better way to do it is to setup a MIDI track for each instrument, and have that track send on different MIDI channels.  Then select the track you want to your keyboard to use by using the echo button on the track.  (You can also have echo automaticlly follow the selected track, but I don't recommend that).
 
If you want to have the same input on more than one track, turn the echo on each of them, arm their record buttons and record/play.  All those tracks will get your keyboard input and send it on to Kontakt on multiple MIDI channels. 
2017/06/18 22:07:14
gh4267
so yes 32 midi channels and gonna color code a/m tracks n drag the midi's apart from audio via HelRazors tut.
 
then comes the pc stress TEST
 
Somewhere i got it in my noodle OMNI bad... silly noodle
 
Thx!
 
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