I have even gone back to vinyl as It sounds much better than digital.
The Dok is right ,you can play a song so much ,you die of boredom!!!
Bring the warmth of analogue back any day.
I will have to now dig out my old Black Widow and Yes albums,or a great touch of Pete Green guitaring!!
Those were the days.
Also what about the SUN Record days.They had to do a recording session In one take!!

igiwigi
Also on Tv the volumes are all over the place .You would think there would be a standard.
 

There has been a massive push (with some success) in certain countries to legislate the maximum volume increase of commercials in comparison to programming (so you are watching some calm, quiet show or movie then get blasted with "SUNDAY!!! SUNDAY!!! SUUUUNDAYYY!!! MONSTER TRUCK MAYHEEEEM!!!!" and the like.
 
I haven't owned a TV in ages so I don't know whether this has been dealt with in Canada to a tolerable level.
 
Now the sound levels WITHIN programming where it goes from a quiet whisper dialog that can barely be heard at full volume to an all out, speaker busting artillery barrage is another thing. That is completely fookin' ridiculous.
 
I've actually been wanting to figure out a way to route the audio from streaming vids/shows/movies through one of my VST limiters to keep that crap under control.
 
If someone were smart they'd produce a standalone limiter program/browser addon to do exactly that.

And yes... I really gotta question the common sense/skill of some of the sound engineers for these TV shows/movies when they can't seem to balance volume levels in any reasonable manner.
 
Sure dynamics play an important role to the dramatic movement of film but it's like these guys take it to such an extreme that you lose important dialog at the quieter parts then the loud crap is outright masturbation. Lazy, unnecessary and inconsiderate... especially outside of a movie theater environment. TV exclusive shows should NOT be mixed that way at all unless maybe as a DVD feature for those with the sound systems to handle (and the freaking soundproofing to keep from blasting out their neighbors).
 
/cloud yelling
 

Well, this thread seemed to get off topic very quickly. I am reading a great deal of posts that are telling Dan what he should do and far less of these posts listening to what he is wanting to do.  Aren't we all supposed to be professional "listeners?"
 
Dan, please feel free to call me, (303) 410-8687 or email me directly... and we can discuss your work and how I can be of assistance to you.
 
Tom

It appears that this forum removes direct email addresses.  No worries... Dan, I would rather talk to you directly than to send a bunch of emails, posts and other "time vampires" anyway.

BASSIC Productions
Well, this thread seemed to get off topic very quickly. I am reading a great deal of posts that are telling Dan what he should do and far less of these posts listening to what he is wanting to do.  Aren't we all supposed to be professional "listeners?"
 
Dan, please feel free to call me, [redacted] or email me directly... and we can discuss your work and how I can be of assistance to you.
 
Tom

Well, it seemed the OP had sorted out what they wanted so people were just chatting about the topic (and veering off a bit). It's a generally friendly free flowing place like that.
 
Don't think anyone welcomed you as a new memeber yet so... welcome.
 
I would suggest that maybe posting your phone number directly in thread isn't advised. This is a completely public forum so yanno... internet be crazy, bro.
 
There is a private message feature you can use. Not sure if if it's accessible to brand new users but I'm sure micrapp can send Skarda a message for you if need be.
 
You can also edit your posts to remove that number if you want.
 
Totally not tellin' what to do. Just a friendly heads up.
 
Cheers and again, welcome.

You can't post links in thread (which your email was likely turning into automatically) until you reach 25 posts on the forum. Anti spam feature.
 
 

Beepster
And yes... I really gotta question the common sense/skill of some of the sound engineers for these TV shows/movies when they can't seem to balance volume levels in any reasonable manner.

We know someone whose daughter is a jobbing freelance film sound engineer/mixer. She's worked on some seriously big production major films, big stars, big producer, bigger budget.

I had a chat with her about this audio balance thing a couple of years ago. According to her one problem is that the producers tend to be very concerned about how their work will come across in cinema and high-end home theatre 5.1 and 7.1 systems, much less so about stereo on smaller speakers. The consequence can often be that when the mix is reduced to stereo the centre channel which carries most of the spoken content gets lost without the centre speaker to position it in space, isolate it and boost the volume.

It's the old translation problem again. She's of the opinion that a DVD release or TV release really should be remixed to take account of real-world home systems including stereo only, but the production companies don't always want to spend the money on the remix and are also aware that if the sound is different on a surround DVD to cinema Amazon etc. will be full of cork-sniffing reviews slamming the DVD release because it is "different" to the cinema release even though it might well translate better on their home systems.

Another issue is that loudness wars affect TV just as much as audio releases. Advertisers started volume maximising and brick-wall limiting their adverts so they leap out and can't be ignored, then the TV producers want their programmes not to sound weak compared to the adverts, and the advertisers retaliate and round and round it goes. And the average consumer doesn't like having to keep changing the playback volume to equalise the RMS at their end either.

Same familiar sorry tale as CD releases really, with the same problem that the sound engineers can only do what the customer wants and the customer wants LOUD.

Thanks for all the forum info and the new welcome.  Most engineering forums I use don't filter that information unless I select/deselect them in the settings.  I don't mind sending my phone number as I am a professional business and it is available on every search engine (plus, sometimes, I like to play with the spammers for my own amusement!).  Microapp did use the PM option (thanks again!).  I like to reach out to people directly... I am a people person that really enjoys these interactions.  I welcome anyone to call me!
 
I have to admit that this thread was very civilized and didn't seem to be the "fan boy" Sonar threads I've read in the past.  Everyone seems to be offering their real ideas and trying to help!  That is very refreshing compared to some of the "Sonar Problem" threads I've read.  Even Mr. Anderton didn't play the "company line" about Sonar... that was very cool!  We wouldn't be on this forum if we wanted to be Pro Tools, Logic or Nuendo fan boys... we all use Sonar and, it seems, we are all doing our best to be helpful toward each other.
 
I hope to read more threads like this one!!!
 
Tom
 
 

I'm confused... how did this thread become a commentary about loudness wars?  Does anyone read the original post anymore?  I say again, "Aren't we supposed to be professional listeners?"