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  • Is there a professional mixing producer out there that listens to the musician?? (p.4)
2015/11/08 15:19:06
Beepster
tlw
Same familiar sorry tale as CD releases really, with the same problem that the sound engineers can only do what the customer wants and the customer wants LOUD.



Indeed and that was an interesting look into current day audio for film mixing (pretty much what I expected and have perceived based on newer productions). I hadn't considered the surround sound mix consequences though. That's particularly cruddy that they make the assumption most are going to own a system to replicate such things. Does seem pretty simple to have an intern slap a limiter on it, dump it down to stereo and do some level automation... but alas that's film industry I guess.
 
Despite some of my other idealistic inclinations I am certainly a believer in (responsible) capitalism. It sure does seem to get in the way of quality and common sense sometimes though and has a tendency of accumulating into an inescapable cycle of suck (like the loudness wars).
 
The hyper critical layman consumer angle doesn't help either. Back when I was running retail type setups the motto actually became "The customer is always WRONG!"... at least until they were right. It put off some people and perhaps lost some sales but all in all it resulted in better, regular customers (who could actually pay) and less shrinkage/lost man hours due to unreasonable demands.
 
I guess that kind of ties into the premise of this thread. If I ever become skilled enough to become a commercial producer I'd like to think I'd be able to accomodate whatever a client wants/needs but I could definitely see myself not completely bending over for outright silliness.
 
IME anyone who makes those types of demands in life are generally more hassle than it's worth dealing with anyway... and from some of the stories I've read here and elsewhere that seems to hold true (if not more so) in the music production biz.
 
A real artist/musician though generally will have a good sound in their head that deserves to be reproduced accurately. Helping them get there would, to me, be a joyful experience.
2015/11/08 15:28:28
Beepster
BASSIC Productions
I'm confused... how did this thread become a commentary about loudness wars?  Does anyone read the original post anymore?  I say again, "Aren't we supposed to be professional listeners?"




Internet, dood.
 
Might as well try herding cats.
 
The Sonar sub forum usually stays on topic though but this is a rather broad one that seems to have been solved (and is actually off topic itself since this area is for Sonar related problems/questions/insights).
 
You should check out the Coffee House if you wanna see some real chaos. Particularly the FSF. lulz...
2015/11/08 17:50:43
igiwigi
Well ,Well,Well
We have got rid of the tech Heirarchy.
 
It all comes down to   ---    EARS!!!! The ultimate all In one solution!!
 
anyone fancy a Mars Bar!!!
2015/11/08 17:50:55
konradh
Craig Anderton mastered my most recent album and it was a wonderful experience of collaboration.  Craig understood the direction I was going and everything he did took my ideas and made them better.  Although I have 100% trust in his judgment, he always talked to me before making major changes,
 
His official role was mastering engineer, but I believe he deserves a significant share of the producer credit.
 
If a producer, mixer, or mastering engineer is not listening to the artist, something is wrong.  Mutual respect is an absolute necessity.
 
Listen to the result at my website below.
2015/11/09 10:04:57
bitflipper
Enjoying those tunes immensely, Konrad. Clean, clear and radio-ready. ABBA would have been happy with the mastering on "Fifteen Minutes of Fame". My 14-year-old grandson just killed his first elk yesterday...I'll have to play "Bambicide" for him.
 
Yes, Tom, I am listening. Thanks for the reminder.
2015/11/09 11:10:25
konradh
Thanks, Dave!
2015/11/09 11:33:56
bitman
2015/11/09 16:46:53
igiwigi
Hi Konrad
 
Nice and clear
I have a way to go yet ,but will keep plugging on.
 
atb
John
2015/11/09 21:53:37
konradh
Thanks, John!
2015/12/22 17:50:38
GuitarThumper
Skarda - Swallow Hill (Denver) has The Sawtelle Studio which lists Sonar X1 as a DAW. The recording engineer is Brian Hunter (303) 725-9489, or the Swallow Hill front desk 303.777.1003 x 2. 
I've never used them and as such I can't recommend them - I just recall (and just verified) that they listed Sonar as a DAW.
http://swallowhillmusic.org/community/sawtelle-recording-studio/
 
Rod
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