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  • zplane élastique - why?
2018/10/09 03:25:23
CadErik
Out of curiosity here, any particular reason why so much focus on the timestreching algorithm on this new release (I assume this was the big feature that Noel mentioned)?
I actually thought that the radius ones built-in where quite excellent, I did some amazing time stretching with vocals on previous Sonar versions...
Or were the reasons around somekind of licensing+cost issue with the previous technology?
 
Erik.
 
2018/10/09 07:09:19
mikannohako
Several months ago, Bitwig studio also had an update with elastic audio time stretching algorithm.

So I'm simply guessing, CbB also followed the trend , like other daw has the algorithm and why not for CbB?
And I agree that radius one is not bad at all.
I haven't compared the quality so IDK but the algorithm is kinda becoming standards...
2018/10/09 10:31:13
miracledee
Izotope radius gives better results @ pitch shifting and timestretching, but is a bit slower than elastique.
So this alternate I guess.
2018/10/09 11:12:20
scook
The benefits are detailed here
The source material makes a difference in which algorithm to choose. Here is a recent thread.
Can't be a licensing/cost issue because Elastique was ADDED to the existing choices. Nothing was removed.



2018/10/09 11:45:59
Jon Sasor [Cakewalk]
The short answer is Elastique works in real time, Radius does not. You can set Elastique as the online algorithm and keep Radius for the render one and the preview of your edits during playback will be significantly better than it was before. More details found at the link scook mentioned.
2018/10/09 12:50:22
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
The 99% reason for elastique integration is for high quality real-time time stretching used for slip stretched audio and for audiosnap. Prior to this the only realtime stretching was the Groove stretching technology (our own) which is also used under the hood for playing groove clips. While that is efficient and good enough for basic preview it produces audible artifacts when used with higher stretches.
Elastique also opens up the possibility of other real time options that we may pursue in the future.
2018/10/09 12:57:05
scook
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Elastique also opens up the possibility of other real time options that we may pursue in the future.

Yet another tease?
2018/10/09 13:28:57
bitman
Like Vari-Speed I'll bet.
 
 
2018/10/09 16:45:54
eve_ripper
I really like last update. Now I can stretch in real-time more carefully and faster than it was earlier.
I write mix of electronic and live music, so quantizing bass guitar to drum machine hits is getting better with this update.
2018/10/09 23:27:50
Anderton
bitman
Like Vari-Speed I'll bet.



Actually, the latest update does allow for this. You just have to tell a clip to follow the project tempo. It's not as seamless as programs where you specify in advance of loading a clip, but the results are the same. I just wrote a column for Sound on Sound on how to elastique to change from one static tempo to another, and how to prep a file to follow tempo changes.
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