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  • zplane élastique - why? (p.2)
2018/10/09 23:41:26
BenMMusTech
bitman
Like Vari-Speed I'll bet.
 
 


Yes, Elastique is what Reaper uses to implement their digital varispeed paradigm. I'm not sure how Cake have implemented theirs, I won't update at this stage because making music is my thing...not hanging on for endless updates that may make music making impossible from what I'm reading...and the silly connectivity options that I don't need...I'm Beethoven, Abbey Road and Hollywood these days or the last of the romantics ;). From what I'm reading it doesn't sound like they've implemented it in a very 'musical' fashion. This is a button that acts a bit like a tape speed knob. If they do that, get rid of the connectivity stuff or at least allow us to turn it off and they get rid of the need to install with their bandlab assistant...then I might have a look at the new Sonar.
2018/10/10 01:36:06
listen
I'm hoping someone will make a video or direct me to a video of how to use it - just saying!!!
 
2018/10/10 02:07:09
bitman
Anderton
 
Actually, the latest update does allow for this. You just have to tell a clip to follow the project tempo. It's not as seamless as programs where you specify in advance of loading a clip, but the results are the same. I just wrote a column for Sound on Sound on how to elastique to change from one static tempo to another, and how to prep a file to follow tempo changes.


We just want a slider.
2018/10/10 04:17:00
rebel007
Nice work Cakewalk folks!
2018/10/10 08:07:49
soens
Is elasitque bound by the same length limits Radius is? Approach 200% is nearly, if not totally, unuseable in most cases.

I think of audio clips like rubber bands: they only stretch so far then break.
2018/10/10 08:09:50
soens
bitman
We just want a slider.


New Control Bar Module?
 
Would be cool to make it automation controllable.
2018/10/10 13:11:23
bitman
My RME 2496 had a speed control slider. It's post Sonar so it won't print unless you go the the bother of recording the output. Doesn't preserve pitch, but can give you some idea if your song is too slow or fast. And it's fun to play with. +/- 5% if I recall correctly. There has got to be a place to wedge a hairline slider. There is a NOW position slider under the transport. Does anybody ever use that?
2018/10/10 17:10:00
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Just for clarity and fact checking. You can't slow down a project in general without potentially bouncing elements. 
Elastique operates at the clip level and cannot work with certain types of clips without pre-bouncing them. eg groove clips, region effects, vocalsync clips etc. So even if there were a slider of some sort it wouldn't necessarily apply to all elements in the project without some user action.
2018/10/10 17:29:42
Blogospherianman
soens
Is elasitque bound by the same length limits Radius is? Approach 200% is nearly, if not totally, unuseable in most cases.

I think of audio clips like rubber bands: they only stretch so far then break.


That's only if you're using control shift to stretch the clip. You can go way beyond 200% in either direction if you use Clip follows project and then just change the tempo to what you need. I'm happy to use Elastique for the Realtime preview and Radius for the very high quality stretching offline.
2018/10/11 07:04:57
BenMMusTech
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Just for clarity and fact checking. You can't slow down a project in general without potentially bouncing elements. 
Elastique operates at the clip level and cannot work with certain types of clips without pre-bouncing them. eg groove clips, region effects, vocalsync clips etc. So even if there were a slider of some sort it wouldn't necessarily apply to all elements in the project without some user action.


Well, and please forgive Noel if I've got some of the ideas wrong...but this is exactly how it's done in Reaper, and I believe most other DAWs that have implemented digital varispeed. Perhaps each track is handled individually, but a slider controls the speed of the overall track, and each track is affected accordingly. What makes this handy is the ability to change the timbre of say a vox ala Rain by The Beatles. They slow the track down when it comes to recording the vocals and then play the track at full speed when it comes to mixing. I suspect that's how McCartney hides some of the age in his voice to this day. Digital varispeed is also handy when you can't play something at a particular pace and you can slow it down so you can play what's needed. Again The Beatles and the 'harpsichord' solo which actually a piano sped up. What's even better though is digital varispeed - at least in Reaper you can keep the original pitch of track. Very cool. Again I might be wrong, and please correct me if I am you know...but this is all handed by the elastique algorithm.

Sorry Noel. I'm not trying to be difficult, I understand you're a great advocate for Sonar.

Ben
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