2008/09/28 17:49:34
spacey

ORIGINAL: kev11111111111111

wow sorry this thread has become a bit depressing ! I'll send you all some positive karma on me next post OMMMMMMMMMM
Kev (not been smoking)


?? I thought it started that way. I'll take the karma though with thanks.
OMMMMMMMMMM- I'm in.

cheers,
Michael
2008/09/28 21:37:45
bitflipper
If the money is taken out of the equation,so too are the studios,session players,producers,engineers etc.Its a bit of a circle.

Would it really be so bad if there were no money to be made in music? What would happen?

Music would be a calling, not a career. Musicians might have something to sing about besides broken hearts.

Then again... I might be an idealist in most respects, but if you steal my guitar I'm afraid I would have to break all your fingers.

2008/09/29 20:21:28
Fog
ORIGINAL: bitflipper
Then again... I might be an idealist in most respects, but if you steal my guitar I'm afraid I would have to break all your fingers.


no mention of a piano.. so I should be ok if I run fast enough

only question now, how to make a quick get away with a grand piano and I doubt I can just pass it off as hand luggage on the plane
2008/09/29 22:46:27
Adrys
People who want something that they don't think they can afford always wish it was cheaper, or free. Be that a guitar, a song, or a nice car. However, I sort of think that if you're given something for free, then generally it has no value to you.

Those who have spent their money (or their time which is often of more value) for something, can assign what they feel that money or time represents to the value of the "something." Sometimes you might even feel like you've gotten a "deal" and gained more then your money or time was worth to you.

Neither of these is an absolute truth. You can be given something for free that has a very strong emotional value and you can pay for something that turns out to be worthless. But I think for the majority of transactions, what you are willing to pay for something represents it's minimum value to you.

This certainly isn't limited to music. If you're handy with a computer, try helping someone fix theirs and see how much value they assign to your time the next time they lose a printer button, or get a virus, or whatnot.

Here's a good example about music. I'm sure we all know at least 1 someone who filled up their computer with music during the heyday of Napster. Now they have Gigabytes of music, most of which they may not have even listened to in the last few years. Those of us who purchased our music did so because we made an emotional connection to the music, or the lyrics. We may not have gigabytes of songs on our hard drives or I-Pods, but every song, or artist on there can can invoke an emotional response. So our smaller music collection has more value because we were willing to pay for it.

2008/09/29 22:57:31
Jessie Sammler
ORIGINAL: Adrys

Here's a good example about music. I'm sure we all know at least 1 someone who filled up their computer with music during the heyday of Napster. Now they have Gigabytes of music, most of which they may not have even listened to in the last few years. Those of us who purchased our music did so because we made an emotional connection to the music, or the lyrics. We may not have gigabytes of songs on our hard drives or I-Pods, but every song, or artist on there can can invoke an emotional response. So our smaller music collection has more value because we were willing to pay for it.



Bingo. Why steal music when I can afford to buy the stuff that I really want? And why should those artists give it away? It cost them time and money to make it. I get paid for what I do for a living; why shouldn't they?
2008/09/29 23:24:18
droddey
Bingo. Why steal music when I can afford to buy the stuff that I really want? And why should those artists give it away? It cost them time and money to make it. I get paid for what I do for a living; why shouldn't they?


Exactly. But of course there's a whole internet culture out there that works to come up with rationalizations for theft. Many of them actually convince themselves that it's good for the music business, or that they are stealing not from the artist but from the record company, as though that's not also stealing from the artist.
2008/09/30 00:24:34
Jessie Sammler
ORIGINAL: droddey
Exactly. But of course there's a whole internet culture out there that works to come up with rationalizations for theft. Many of them actually convince themselves that it's good for the music business, or that they are stealing not from the artist but from the record company, as though that's not also stealing from the artist.


Kids today. Ya can't live with 'em; ya can't perform unspeakable acts of bloodthirsty violence...
2008/09/30 03:54:48
kev11111111111111

ORIGINAL: Adrys

People who want something that they don't think they can afford always wish it was cheaper, or free. Be that a guitar, a song, or a nice car. However, I sort of think that if you're given something for free, then generally it has no value to you.

Those who have spent their money (or their time which is often of more value) for something, can assign what they feel that money or time represents to the value of the "something." Sometimes you might even feel like you've gotten a "deal" and gained more then your money or time was worth to you.

Neither of these is an absolute truth. You can be given something for free that has a very strong emotional value and you can pay for something that turns out to be worthless. But I think for the majority of transactions, what you are willing to pay for something represents it's minimum value to you.

This certainly isn't limited to music. If you're handy with a computer, try helping someone fix theirs and see how much value they assign to your time the next time they lose a printer button, or get a virus, or whatnot.

Here's a good example about music. I'm sure we all know at least 1 someone who filled up their computer with music during the heyday of Napster. Now they have Gigabytes of music, most of which they may not have even listened to in the last few years. Those of us who purchased our music did so because we made an emotional connection to the music, or the lyrics. We may not have gigabytes of songs on our hard drives or I-Pods, but every song, or artist on there can can invoke an emotional response. So our smaller music collection has more value because we were willing to pay for it.




Wise words..thanks for that.
Kev
2008/09/30 03:58:34
kev11111111111111

ORIGINAL: droddey

Bingo. Why steal music when I can afford to buy the stuff that I really want? And why should those artists give it away? It cost them time and money to make it. I get paid for what I do for a living; why shouldn't they?


Exactly. But of course there's a whole internet culture out there that works to come up with rationalizations for theft. Many of them actually convince themselves that it's good for the music business, or that they are stealing not from the artist but from the record company, as though that's not also stealing from the artist.


Also good point though (sigh).Hey guys cheers up....it'll soon be christmas !
2008/09/30 09:17:04
SteveStrummerUK

Hi there Kev

If you let us all steal your music, instuments and you DAW stuff, we'll all feel better and you won't need to feel guilty any more!

Sorted!

I should work for the UN

Steve
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