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  • Beatles cover: Cry Baby Cry (p.2)
2017/12/28 15:48:37
michaelhanson
Very nice!  As a huge Beatles fan, I think its awesome.  
 
I have always thought this song was great and loved the chord progression.  I too often thought that John would take jabs, just to take a jab.  He seemed to flip flop on song opinions greatly, maybe dependent on his mood at the moment.
2017/12/29 04:26:18
bjornpdx
Dave
Well I thought you came close to sounding like Lennon on this song. I like the vocal effects. Just a professional production throughout. 
2017/12/29 15:39:36
bapu
mississippi
Sounds as brittle as broken glass, especially the vocals. I have a feeling the tracks were probably recorded pretty well, but the mix is all high end and a little bit of bass.


bjornpdx
Dave
Well I thought you came close to sounding like Lennon on this song. I like the vocal effects. Just a professional production throughout. 


Talk about both ends of the spectrum for the very same mix. 


2017/12/29 16:26:02
bitflipper
mississippi
Sounds as brittle as broken glass, especially the vocals. I have a feeling the tracks were probably recorded pretty well, but the mix is all high end and a little bit of bass.

I kicked back with a joint and listened to this mix on headphones in the dark, and while "broken glass" is a bit harsh, I have to say I agree with you.
 
I was going for a 60's kind of midrange tone and I think I pushed the exciter a bit too hard on the vocals. I'll remix this after the new year with an ear toward softening the treble for those who have better high-frequency perception than me.
 
The bass level, however, is pretty much where I intended it to be - I was trying to channel McCartney with high, round melodic bass lines. Once you take out the low bass there's nothing left down there except the kick drum, and I didn't want a prominent kick, in keeping with the 60's AM radio feel. 
 
pentimentosound
Dave
I'd love to know what is on those tracks! Care to give us all a description?
Michael

 
Sure thing, Michael. I like to hear about the technical details too, and wish posters would give them more often.
 
But sorry, no trade secrets here. Just my usual go-to stuff...
 
Drums: Superior Drummer 2 (D16 Devastor + Pro-L on kick, FF Saturn on snare, BusDriver on toms)
Percussion:
        Black Swamp Tambourine
        Shimmer 'n Shake (shakers)
        Flying Hand Percussion (cowbell)
Bass: Trillian (modified "Rock P-Bass Pick - Full Range" preset)
Organ: VB3 (MVintageRotary, Ubermod, Toraverb)
"Sax": Zebra (tkDelay)
Guitars:
        Indiginus AGC
        Indiginus SM4
        OTS Rickenbacker 12
Choir: Omnisphere (treated with Vocal Enhancer)
 
Reverb: ValhallaPlate
Vox compression: CA-2A (+Pro-C for de-essing)
Vox EQ: MDynamicEQ
Track EQ: Pro-Q
Bus comp: Pro-C
Limiter: Ozone 7 
 
The only deviations from my standard toolkit was CA-2A on every vocal track (instead of Pro-C) and the addition of Vocal Enhancer, which I'd just acquired an hour before posting the mix. Still figuring out what to do with that one, but hey, it was 19 bucks!
 
And of course MVintageRotary on the third verse. That required MDynamicEQ after, to tame some ear-piercing resonances coming out of it. It's open to discussion whether that plugin is the greatest Leslie emulation ever, but if dirt 'n nastiness is what you want, it definitely delivers.
2017/12/29 17:04:06
bapu
Dave, All that to arrive at "Sounds as brittle as broken glass, especially the vocals."?
2017/12/29 17:52:39
RexRed
WOW, this song is a rabbit hole into the past, great rendition, love the vocal effects, very well done! All around great listen! :) 
2017/12/30 02:57:52
HARDDRlVER
Being a Beatles fan since I saw them on Ed Sullivan when i was 11 1/2, I sensed a perfection in their nusic, somehow. Even when I heard an incorrect note here and there, I still felt it was as they laid it down, so 'those' imperfections were part of their perction...if you can follow that.
I've always felt that proper cover versions should be 'as close to the letter as possible'...with one condionary holdout:
If one can actually cover a song 'close'...it's ok then to put 'your own twist' on the song.
And you can tell if someone has the ability to do a decent 'proper' cover by the way they twist their own version.
I hear that in your song.
And I enjoyed the twist you put on it.
It was very well done.
IMO it's actually more difficult to pull so far away from the original (as you have done) than it is to attempt to replicate it.
I've listened to too many personal versions that I end up at my first inclination...and that is, just do the original (and play it safe).

Your version has exceeded my expectations.
Very well done.

Joni

P.S. I'd always read that Run for Your Life was the tune which John most detested.
But as earlier mentioned, it probably depended on when he was asked. I'm sure each of us could post conflicting quotes, each claiming Mr. Lennon's preferences.

Just my two synths
2017/12/30 16:07:26
Wookiee
Interesting cover Dave, yes the vocal is a little thin in places but.., I enjoyed it.
2018/01/01 13:40:46
The Rebel
Sounds great! Love it! Definitely has the Beatles vibe! I really enjoyed it!
I think a good way to start the new year will be revisiting my Beatles catalogue!
Happy New Year!
Dan
 
2018/01/01 21:54:54
bitflipper
Thanks, guys. 
 
I have re-exported and re-posted the song, softening the harmonic exciter on vocals to perhaps satisfy mississippi's reasonable criticism.
 
Technical note/warning: on my first export there were some noise bursts that I'd assumed were some kind of MP3 artifact because they weren't in the WAV or FLAC exports. However, when I revisited the project today I heard those bursts during playback from within SONAR.
 
Long story short, I tracked the problem down to the Vocal Enhancer plugin, which I'd thrown onto the percussion aux bus at the last minute (having just bought the plugin and wanting to experiment). The intermittent noise is definitely being generated within the plugin itself. (And no, it's not in demo mode.)
 
 
Because the noise occurred in a "silent" part of the track, I put in a slip-edit so that there was literally nothing going into the plugin, and the noise bursts stopped. This leads me to suspect it's a denormalization artifact. This can happen when the signal is near, but not quite, zero and confuses the math. Developers use tricks to avoid the phenomenon, such as setting an internal gate and setting a threshold below which no processing occurs, or adding artificial noise to keep the signal above the threshold - something Vocal Enhancer's coder apparently forgot to consider.
 
I'll be very cautious of this effect going forward. But hey, it was only $19.
 
 
[UPDATE]
 
Confirmed that it's a denormal problem: the problem went away after inserting digitalfishphones' Normalizer in front of Vocal Enhancer.
 
(If you're unfamiliar with Normalizer it's basically just a noise generator that injects a very low (-200 to -300 dB) level noise to keep the signal high enough to prevent the CPU from entering denormal mode.)
 
Note that whether or not you'll ever see this problem will depend on the audio source. I would expect it to be worse for virtual instruments and synthesizers than on vocal tracks (Vocal Enhancer's presumed purpose) because the latter is usually much noisier. Having some noise on the track prevents denormalization.
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