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  • Beatles cover: Cry Baby Cry (p.5)
2018/01/26 01:38:30
Serious_Noize!
I haven't been on the forums for a while, so I give this one a second listen. I am really amazed at how great this sounds. This is a Radio Ready mix.  You could tell me how you mixed everything and recorded everything and it would fall on deaf ears for me because I guess I am not patient or talented enough to spend the time to do such things. I just play music. I wish there was a one setting fits all. But that being said, I am working on making my sounds be heard in a better way. While this is a cover? It sounds great to me and is inspiring me to make some changes in my recording process and mixing. There will never be no one click fix for all I guess, but I must ask, does it all fall on your own ears in the end regardless of FX and such things in the end? 
 
I'm listening to some of your other stuff as I type this, I must ask, was it recorded and produced using Sonar Platinum? I ask because that is what I have recently started using before the end of Cakewalk production? 
 
You have some great sounds and music going on there. Enjoyed hearing it and hope to hear more in the future. 
 
Very impressive even on a second listen! AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Thanks for the share!!!!!!!
 
Bobby
 
2018/01/26 18:19:52
bitflipper
Thank you for the kind words! I always appreciate it when song posters supply technical details, so here goes.
 
Curiously, my best mixes have always come easily, if not predictably so. This one took about 4 hours in total: two hours for tracking, one for vocals and one for editing/mixing. Then I went back and spent some time tweaking after getting comments here, softening the exciter on vocals and bringing up the bass by a decibel.
 
I'd like to think I'm getting faster because I continue to get better at it, but the truth is I've had far more mixes that took days or weeks to finish and I still wasn't happy with them in the end. Near as I can tell, the difference seems to be in how much patience I exercise in the early phases, rather than in mixing or mastering skills.
 
I jammed on this tune every day for two weeks before starting to record it. Then I sang along with the instrument tracks many more times. It was that repetition that allowed me to record the verses in one take, start to finish, then the choruses, no comping. Luckily the song fell into my natural range so I only had to tweak pitch on a few high harmony notes that I'd struggled to hit. You can't beat a "live" performance, IMO, flaws and all. Embrace the flaws!
 
Beyond that, there is no secret sauce. I am most obsessive about vocal effects, often trying and rejecting multiple approaches. This time I used the Cakewalk CA2A on every vocal track, something I'd not done before. It does a great job and is light on the CPU, and has now become part of my go-to toolkit. When I got done mixing, it all sounded kind of bland and safe, so I wanted to throw in something a little daring. I tried a number of effects before settling on the edgy MVintageRotary on the third verse.
 
Other effects used:
ValhallaPlate for vox reverb
ValhallaRoom for instrument reverb
tkDelay on vox
Pro-L on the drum bus
iZotope exciter on acoustic guitar
Pro-C2 for de-essing
Noveltech Vocal Enhancer on BGVs
 
That last one is new to me. I had just bought it that day and was looking for an excuse to try it out. I got carried away with it on the first pass and ended up backing it off quite a bit. It's a nice effect, even if it's just a specialized equalizer. But it's a fine line between "bright" and "harsh" and I'm learning through trial and error just where that line is for this effect. It's about 30%.
 
 
The mastering chain is so light-handed it almost doesn't need to be there. It's Ozone 7's EQ and limiter, but it could have been anything. When you're only shaving a dB off stray peaks, it really doesn't matter what limiter you use. Similarly, when you're only doing broad 1dB boosts and cuts, any equalizer will do. Insight and SPAN terminate the chain.
 
OK, maybe there is one trade secret: I like to perform vocals on a Sunday afternoon after having played a gig on Saturday night. The four hours of singing the night before will have loosened my voice and stretched my range, while the subsequent 12 hours of rest takes off the harsh edge. And lets the ringing in my ears subside.
 
I've got a gig tonight, but rather than spend the following day recording vocals I'll be having fun with my new Crumar Mojo that's scheduled to arrive tomorrow. I've already recorded rhythm tracks for a cover of Time is Tight, in anticipation of the Mojo's arrival.
2018/01/29 18:32:14
SupaReels Music
Fantastic,  (Might even be better! Dare I say)
 
2018/02/05 00:51:47
Just Another Bloke
A+ Dave.
2018/02/19 02:36:04
Lynn
Dave, I've been meaning to compliment you on this creative version of one of my favorite songs.  As has been said, it takes guts to cover a Beatle song, and especially if you rearrange it in any way.  Your remix made this better, and if you're gonna rearrange this, why not re-engineer it as well?  You definitely put your stamp on this song, and I love hearing it.  Congrats!
2018/02/21 02:30:43
Serious_Noize!
Bumping this thread and tune because it's just that DANG GOOD!!!!
 
Any objections? If so, please reply here in this thread which will result in continuing to bump it..... 
 
On a side note, listening to this tune in all honesty has helped me realize what I am trying to do with my own music, even though I know it is a cover tune and very exceptionally well done in my opinion, it has inspired me to change directions with my own music in various ways, or by that I mean that I learned a lot of things listening to it and how music should be made.
 
So many thanks Bitflipper! Keep on Keepin' on!
 
Bobby
 
2018/02/21 05:23:11
Hugh Mann
this is really good.  its hard to believe that its all vsts! very soulful playing. 
2018/02/26 12:09:38
SupaReels Music
I think George Martin would approve … Fantastic work !
2018/03/02 02:12:34
clintmartin
Wow! This is excellent! 
I'm a little stunned by how many people here haven't heard the original...I wonder what other Beatle classics they've been missing.
Simply great performance and mix Dave. You should be very proud of this one.
Savoy Truffle next please!
2018/03/02 07:19:42
emeraldsoul
Glad I caught this. Really fine work on the mix and the singing. You treated it as a period piece and that's cool
 
-Tom 
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