eph221
Mario, composing is like crazy eights, playing crazy eights...have you ever?

Music is very profoundly emotional to me.  I have created tunes in my mind through pure emotion (inspiration) alone.  There was no rational thought processes in the creation of these tunes.  So, maybe these tunes are gibberish since emotions are irrational and not a reliable source of judgment.  Perhaps I am projecting emotional judgments upon my tunes when, in reality, these tunes are nothing but lame and incoherent gibberish.  Since I know nothing about music, then I rely on my emotional instincts alone to create themes and tunes.  I then also rely on my emotional instincts to tell me if these tunes convey something catchy, profound, and powerful or not. 
 
Our emotional instincts are a different form of knowledge.  It is an instinctive form of knowledge and I use this alternative source of knowledge to create tunes in my mind.  For example, we can instinctively know that we are in danger or that certain acts, tones, and gestures convey something evil, beautiful, or profound.  But I think my tunes are not a random series of placed notes.  I think there is an actual pattern with these notes which means my emotions might have been right all along and that something more is needed to convey these themes.

*very profoundly emotional for me*  stick with that.

...and start therapy...

eph221
...and start therapy...

Why do you say that?  I am doing just fine and don't need therapy.  But, like I was saying earlier, when I created tunes in my mind through pure emotional instinct alone, soon to find out, there was an actual pattern to the notes and this pattern being there was like magic since there was no thought process involved in making that pattern.  There was one short theme I made and, as it turns out, there really is a pattern to the notes of this theme.  I have an image of the theme and I have circled the patterns I see.  This says to me that you don't need to have any knowledge of how music works when pure inspiration alone can create any great theme in your head.

As a matter of fact, I would go as far as saying you could be as great as the next Beethoven even if you are new to composing.  At least, you could only be as great as the next Beethoven in your head since it requires actual knowledge and training to learn how to convey your envisioned masterpieces.  But, like I was saying before, this short theme I am going to show you is a gentle, beautiful song.  It is supposed to be a very memorable, catchy theme that conveys a profoundly beautiful, gentle, loving, and caring personality.  When I shared this theme for others to listen to, they did tell me that it conveys nothing of the sort and that is all just a bunch of randomly placed notes.  But it's not a bunch of randomly placed notes.  It only sounds like that because there are more things I need in order to actually convey this theme. 

Apparently, having the right notes, rests, chords, and a beat to my tunes and themes isn't enough to convey them.  Thus, I would need to learn what more is needed so that others can understand and make sense of my tunes.  Anyway, this theme starts off with a catchy tune.  It is supposed to be sung by a woman who sings in a beautiful, gentle, loving, caring voice.  It then leads into the chorus part of the song.  The chorus is supposed to be sung by a women gospel choir.  The chorus then leads back into that tune again.  To finish the theme off, that woman sings very softly at the end.  So, here is the image of that theme.  You can also see the actual theme on the music sheet I have in my folder as well.  But I did make one small error here.  That is, I said they are the same notes raised or lowered.  It is not the same notes, but the same sequence of notes raised or lowered:

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Music isn't like maths, even for bach. Those who view it as maths and language miss the boat. It's much more than that. I think you mistake complexity for quality. Most of your musings are self centered. Music requires empathy. Work on those two things: getting over yourself and getting a better definition of quality.

eph221
Music isn't like maths, even for bach. Those who view it as maths and language miss the boat. It's much more than that. I think you mistake complexity for quality. Most of your musings are self centered music requires empathy. Work on those two things: getting over yourself and getting a better definition of quality.

I already said music was something profoundly emotional to me.  So, it's not just a simple matter of me creating patterns of notes and thinking it conveys something profound.  I do realize there is far more to conveying profound emotion than simply having patterns of notes.  But having a pattern of notes is the necessary step though in conveying emotion because, if you just had a random series of placed notes, then that wouldn't convey anything.  What I am saying here is that I think I, at least, have the very basis of some amazing themes which would just be the pattern of notes for now.  Every time I listen to these themes and tunes in my mind, they always convey amazing, profound, and beautiful emotion. 
 
Besides, I have always been the type of person to come up with new, amazing ideas whether it be comedy scenes or something else.  Here is one example.  I have come up with a new idea for an anime.  It would be a whole new series of Inuyasha titled "Inutenshi."  Tenshi is the Japanese word for "angel."  So, rather than Inuyasha being a demon, he is now an angel in this new series.  Who knows, this new series of Inuyasha might really exist in the future.  This clearly shows here that I am indeed creative and come up with new, amazing ideas.  Perhaps I really do have some amazing tunes in my mind as well and conveying these tunes will take a lot of work, education, and training.

Mario, I'd see a therapist, because it seems you're conflicted over something unrelated to music.  BTW have you heard john cage's pieces or any of the stochastic composers?  Why don't you pick up a copy of Grout's History of Music and start there?

eph221
Mario, I'd see a therapist, because it seems you're conflicted over something unrelated to music.  BTW have you heard john cage's pieces or any of the stochastic composers?  Why don't you pick up a copy of Grout's History of Music and start there?

I have another question and this is important.  You said that I require empathy to produce music that conveys powerful and profound emotion.  But, the thing is, I already understand emotion when it comes to music.  For example, I know when a certain theme or tune conveys something heroic or loving.  Shouldn't this understanding of emotion be enough for me to convey music that is catchy, profound, memorable, and powerful?

No. But I think if you go to therapy it'll make you better. Right now you have the ego of a 2 year old. What you describe isn't a shared experience, and I'm not Cartesian. What you're describing is sensual dissimulation. Without the shared experience, you'll never know what is really loving or heroic. You'll just think you know it. 
 
 

eph221
No. But I think if you go to therapy it'll make you better. Right now you have the ego of a 2 year old. What you describe isn't a shared experience, and I'm not Cartesian. What you're describing is sensual dissimulation. Without the shared experience, you'll never know what is really loving or heroic. You'll just think you know it. 
 
 

I don't understand this.  I am quite sure there were many narcissists and sociopaths out there who have composed music that conveys catchy, profound, and powerful emotion.