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2015/11/24 12:02:11
batsbrew
my little sony earbuds work perfectly fine.
almost nothing comes in...
almost nothing comes out.
simple.
2015/11/24 16:17:45
Voda La Void
Guitarhacker - I appreciate your reply, but I don't find ear buds of any kind to be even remotely comfortable, and they fall out of my ears.  The way they deliver sound even hurts.  Maybe all I've worn are cheapos, but the ones I have now have those little silicone cups and I need them out of my ears after about 15 minutes.  Of course, part of that issue would be the ear muffs squeezing on them, which is the only thing keeping them from falling out while I'm playing. Maybe I'm supposed to penetrate my ear more to keep them in....which just solidifies why I'm not going to use them. 
 
batsbrew - I'm sorry but I don't see it.  I'm wearing shooting ear muffs and it reduces the sound about perfect - any louder and I'd need more reduction.  The notion that ear buds could block out pounding acoustic drums the same as shooting ear protectors isn't something I'm going to believe.  (Are people playing drums with cloth sticks? I hit drums hard - I'm not nice about it.  I don't play lightly - I have to feel the groove.)  The Vic Firth iso headphones you found are probably going to be perfect.  If they compare at all to shooting ear protectors they will work fabulous.  
 
 
2015/11/24 17:22:07
batsbrew
Voda La Void
 
batsbrew - I'm sorry but I don't see it.  




I meant for anything other than playing drums....
 
2015/11/24 20:18:41
Guitarhacker
Voda La Void
Guitarhacker - I appreciate your reply, but I don't find ear buds of any kind to be even remotely comfortable, and they fall out of my ears.  The way they deliver sound even hurts.  Maybe all I've worn are cheapos, but the ones I have now have those little silicone cups and I need them out of my ears after about 15 minutes.  Of course, part of that issue would be the ear muffs squeezing on them, which is the only thing keeping them from falling out while I'm playing. Maybe I'm supposed to penetrate my ear more to keep them in....which just solidifies why I'm not going to use them. 
 



With these.... You have to insert them to the point where they block the outside sound. Kind of like putting in ear plugs ... you know when they seal due to the sound change. No high freqs are evident.  I've worn these for several hours and had no pain. The cheaper kind that are hard plastic are painful to me after 10 minutes.

While the EP-630's are now only about $20.... kind of cheap, when I first got the first pair.... they came with a laptop I bought, and they broke so I wanted to replace them, Dell was selling them for $80 a pair. I found them on Amazon at the time for around $40.... I bought a pair at that price. When those died, the price had dropped to the $20 range and have remained there. The last time I bought some.... I picked up about 6 pairs, they were $15 each.

Not trying to get you to use them if you don't like them..... but I love them. If you try a pair and don't like them , feel free to mail them to me....I'll gladly use them and take them off your hands.
2015/12/02 11:17:10
bitflipper
Sound quality and fit/comfort vary enormously among IEMs, and as Herb points out, the price you pay is not a reliable predictor. I've had several over the years, some of which refused to stay in place, some sat comfortably for hours. My favorites were from Shure (the since-discontinued SE-210s), which offered a reasonable compromise between comfort and sound quality.
 
The biggest problem with IEMs is reliability. Those itty-bitty wires break easily. Those itty-bitty drivers don't handle shock well. Some are prone to getting jammed up with impacted earwax than cannot be easily removed without damaging the driver. I just got tired of replacing them every year, so now I use some cheap Sennheisers, for air travel. They were like 30 bucks, so I won't cry when they inevitably break. 
 
On the off-topic of airplane usage, I actually did A/B tests on a long flight to Tokyo. I'd borrowed a pair of Bose noise-cancelling headphones in addition to my two closed-back studio headphones and two IEMs. They all did a decent job of filtering out high-frequency noise, but only the Shure IEMs did anything for the steady low-frequency roar of jet engines. I was especially disappointed with the Bose, which acted more like a low-pass filter than a noise-stopper. In a non-noisy environment (in a hammock under a mango tree), they were quite mediocre-sounding. Not awful, but given their price point I'm sticking with my "ripoff" assessment.
 
But this is off-topic: due to their percussive nature, drums are actually harder to attenuate than jet engines.
 
BTW, I did an experiment once using the Shure IEMs with OSHA-approved ear protectors over them. The kind you see the ground crew wearing at the airport. They're too clumsy to wear while playing drums, but wow, talk about isolation!
2015/12/02 22:38:39
quantumeffect
I had a pair of the Vic Firth head phones and I couldn't stand them.  The wire framework in the headband was poorly engineered and they never fit comfortably or securely.   
 
2015/12/02 22:47:54
bapu
quantumeffect
I had a pair of the Vic Firth head phones and I couldn't stand them.  The wire framework in the headband was poorly engineered and they never fit comfortably or securely.   
 


You sure it was not your head?
2015/12/02 23:21:20
quantumeffect
Years ago I purchased a set of drummer headphones from an add in Modern Drummer magazine.  Essentially, the company retrofitted transducers into those red ear protectors that the employees would wear at the airport while standing behind a jet.  I still have that pair of headphones and I use them almost everyday for practicing and or recording.
 
I think the company eventually morphed into "Direct Sound Extreme Isolation".
 
http://www.extremeheadphones.com/passive-noise-isolation-hearing-protection-headphones/studio-products/
 
2015/12/02 23:30:09
quantumeffect
... it looks like mikedocy is using them and it sounds like the current models are just as good as the originals.
 
 
2015/12/02 23:32:03
quantumeffect
bapu
quantumeffect
I had a pair of the Vic Firth head phones and I couldn't stand them.  The wire framework in the headband was poorly engineered and they never fit comfortably or securely.   
 


You sure it was not your head?


No, my misshapen head had nothing to do with it
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