Hi there...

Hey I am looking for mixing down out of the box... At least a little... As I am in Brazil, I have a very few options to go for... In fact,I have, almost, no options... Equipment prices in here are, at least, 3 times more expensive than in US and, in most of the cases, if you buy a "boutique like" equipment, you'll have no assistance for it... No repair shops... Really sad.

I would like to have a AWS9000... But I can't afford it... Could be a Toft ATB 32 too (much less expensive)... But, here, it will costs something like 20 grant... And US dollar worhts 2 for 1 in Brazil.

That said, here is the thing... I got an opportunity to buy a brand new Eurodesk SX4882 for an unbelievable price, all legal, with local assistance, 6 month warranty, etc... The desk will cost me like U$1.000,00. Quite a deal... But I am not a Behringer entusiast, and I know there is no magic... If it is cheap, it will very probabilly sound cheap too...

Well, I have the VS 700 system, so, ther is 20 outputs (or more, not shure, I am only using 2 till now). My idea is to use the desk as an analog summing unit...

O.K., I am looking for some pieces of advice... Can you guys help me on it?

Thank you all.

Peace.

rEALLY DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY,behringer are not reliable,noisey,why do you think your getting the great price.(not that great a price check ebay)
Since you already have a excellent mixer the vs700,just drop a tubed dual channel preamp for your mixdown,this will give you that nice rounded out sound on your mix.
just about any brand will do as long as it uses 12ax7 tubes.(valves)you can even bulid on cheap.
if your just looking to add inputs ,look at some line mixers (anolog) or old yamaha mixers/line mixers.run the subs groups out to your vs700

.enjoy
Gary

Gary.

I own one ,,,,, And it sounds great ,,, Clean ,,  no noise ,,, In fact I A/B my Neve preamps with the pre's on that board and was amazed .  My Mackie SR40.8 is noisy and muddy compared to the Behringer ,,,, But everybody love Mackie  . The reason Behringer always gets a bad rap is mostly Pier group pressure and the fact that they don't QC Test their stuff like everybody else does ( Thats why the prices are so low) There is quality parts and design in there ,,,,, but like ALL produces ( even Pintech has a bad one right out of the box more times than not) Its so easy to blame and curse when the price is low .... I know alot of Harley owners that still love there product even though they always need to repair the damn things all the time! 

bobgassert


I own one ,,,,, And it sounds great ,,, Clean ,,  no noise ,,, In fact I A/B my Neve preamps with the pre's on that board and was amazed .  My Mackie SR40.8 is noisy and muddy compared to the Behringer ,,,, But everybody love Mackie  . The reason Behringer always gets a bad rap is mostly Pier group pressure and the fact that they don't QC Test their stuff like everybody else does ( Thats why the prices are so low) There is quality parts and design in there ,,,,, but like ALL produces ( even Pintech has a bad one right out of the box more times than not) Its so easy to blame and curse when the price is low .... I know alot of Harley owners that still love there product even though they always need to repair the damn things all the time! 

WOW, really??? Man, that's good news for me... Not that I am not taking in account what Gary stated but, as I said, we have not much varieties here in Samba Land... And EVERYTHING is sooooooo expensive...


So, what you think Bob? I intent to send, let's say, my "non processed" drum group to channel 1-2 and my "processed" drum group to channel 3-4... Then, I will do the paralel comp balance between the 2 (stereo) physical channel and send them to sub-group 1-2... And so forth... I know there is quite a lot of routings possibilities in a desk like this... You think it will make a positive impact in the final mix in comparison with mixdown everything in a box?


Man, I am astonished with your statement about the a/b test... Are You a Behringer shareholder?


Peace.

I have an sx4882. .. I run the 8 subs to 1 maudio profire 2626. The benefit I have is that with the push of a button I can swap instruments to record. With the 6 aux sends, I give different people more monitoring choices.... .. When I get one or two more profire, I can use the Direct Outs (something not put on many boards anymore) and still sum the sounds for tracking... The board is a bussing dream... no effects. The DAW takes care of fx after tracking... The only noise I've had come through while tracking was a dehumidifier running two rooms away. The pre-amps are alright for my purposes with the CAD 195 microphones that I use... Next time someone bellyaches about "Made In China," remind everyone how popular X-Boxes and iPhones are...

It sounds like your planning on doing some side buss compression ... When I was mixing on a Yamaha console from two ADATS back in 1992 .... That was what made things happen for me I used to insert two DBX 160A's on Buss 3/4 and my Dry Buss 1/2 WOW that kicked butt .    Since I went PC ( 1999 )  I been trying to get that sound but getting alot of Phasing problems . I ended up cloning tracks and plumping the heck out of the cloned track with Comp plugins , Stacked if need be . That worked well... The Slate VTM Tape Machine and Waves NLS Console Summer plugins made it Complete .  I'm finally getting what I want in the BOX after 10 years ....   I use lots of Mixer Pre amps for Drums and pilot tracks  Those bigger mixers are must haves .  

Well brother... I got all these plugs too... Plus UADs (1 quad + 1 solo) almost all plugs too... But, I am very curious to know how better a mixdown could sound if I end up in a hybrid situation, like, using a real desk to get the final mix, yet keeping the EQs, dynamics and effects inside the box...

Of course, if I could have a boutique analog summing, like the one's we can find at Vintage King, would be superb... But I can't... For many different reasons, one is money... As I said, here in Brazil things costs 3 times more than in US... And I don't make 3 times more money working with music... And 1 real worths 50 american cents... So, I believe you get the picture...

What I am trying to find out is, will it worth the investment keeping in mind that my main intention is to "analogly" summing my channels? Or this is a too poor circuit to make a positive diference?

Thanks for the inputs.

Peace.

I think for the price and function it is a good deal. Not all behringer products are created equal...thier A/D converters are decent, but you have to cut out the crappy pre-amp section to make them worthy...I still use my BCF 2000 on a regular basis...so something that has inline pre's can be problematic if you cannot take them out of the equation...

The main issues I have seen with behringers is bleed and really crappy pre's, but I can say that about Mackie as well...I think the biggest problem with the pre's is the way they did gain staging...it has to much distortion and its hard to get a good clean sound...

The other side of the equation is price...you are going to be hard pressed to beat that even with an old analog console that needs recapping...

So if you think you might be able to tweak your own gain stage process (it will be a challenge to find the sweet spot)...you might be able to counter-act the negative side of this desk...with that many inputs and stems, it will certainly be versatile so in recording it will have its benefits...but you will have to find the right "mix" combo to use it in summing...and it may never deliver what you want...

The warranty is a must since these  boards have a reputation of blowing fuses and psu's...

That is the one place behringer is crappy...they make terrible power supplies and that accounts for a lot of the noise...

I have serious doubts about achieving a better mix "outside the box" unless you are running it through some amazing vintage gear like a Neve or UA console.   
With all the routing options within sonar and all the plugins you have- you can't get the sound you're looking for?

It just seems incredibly unlikely that a Behringer board is going to be the answer.
Put that money towards some waves plugins.  

My guess is that the current modeling technology of vintage gear that you find in high-end plugins is better/closer than what a low-end analog board will give you.

This is just one man's opinion.  

BlixYZ


I have serious doubts about achieving a better mix "outside the box" unless you are running it through some amazing vintage gear like a Neve or UA console.   
With all the routing options within sonar and all the plugins you have- you can't get the sound you're looking for?

It just seems incredibly unlikely that a Behringer board is going to be the answer.
Put that money towards some waves plugins.  

My guess is that the current modeling technology of vintage gear that you find in high-end plugins is better/closer than what a low-end analog board will give you.

This is just one man's opinion.  

That's why I am only wondering... I already have all pugs a man can dream of... I like my mixes, I really do... But I really have this impression that when you put all the channels together things turn a little muddy and small... I know Behringer, and all the gear in this price range, cannot offer a larger than life sound... But I am quite shure that summing in analog domain will give me a real different result... Well, theres no algorithm in analog desks... It is what it is... The thing is, will the result be any better than mixing inside the box or it will be only different?