• SONAR
  • Editing audio in Sonar
2017/05/27 13:57:23
vdvorn
Well, I have just figured out that Sonar has less audio editing capacities, that say Adobe Audition. For example, there is no Audio View in it and I can not make a selected piece of audio less in volume as in Adobe (or apply the Option "Smooth Vocals", which is one of my favorites).
 
So, it looks like that it is necessary to combine Sonar and Adobe for mixing of the song (MIDI plus audio tracks). What could be an optimal technology to do it? I am just a little bit short in time, so would be thankful for the professional to share the shortest way of actions... ;)
2017/05/27 14:56:10
Lord Tim
Well, no, there's actually plenty of ways to do this entirely in SONAR.
 
The first and best way is to do it non-destructively using a clip based envelope. Change the track Edit Filter from Clips to Clip Automation -> Gain and you'll see a red line appear on all of your clips in the track. Drag up or down or add points on the clip you want to adjust. Then change the Edit Filter back to Clips. Done.
 
The second way is destructive, where you select the part of the waveform you want to affect, then go to Process -> Apply Effect -> Gain...
 
The third way is to put a clip based effect on the clip. Split up your track so that the portion you want to affect is its own clip. Right clip that clip, choose Insert Effect -> Audio Effects -> and put in any plugin that has a gain or output control and adjust to taste. This is the best way if you want to add any compression or dynamics controls to a particular clip, like you were wanting to do. (You can also add it in the effects bin of the entire track, but I'm assuming you just want to have it work on a single clip by your post).
 
Finally, you have track automation in general where you can basically mix the entire track. It's usually a good idea to get your balance right first with one of the previous methods, and then use track automation to basically mix the track itself, but it certainly can be used to adjust a portion of a track too. Change the track Edit Filter from Clips to Automation -> Volume and you have a line appear across the entire track. Add points around the part you want to change and drag the line up and down over that section. Change back to Clips when you're done if you like.
 
For any of the clip or effect based things, if you want to make it permanent (which really isn't necessary in most cases and actually limits any changes you can do later), you right-click the clip and choose Bounce To Clip and it gets mixed down to a new clip. 
 
Audition is a fantastic tool, but SONAR really has most of what it can do baked in.
2017/05/27 15:25:41
Cactus Music
Wave editors are a better way to work and how we get the best of both is via "tools". 
You can add any Audio editor to the tools menu using the Cakewalk Tool editor. 
2017/05/27 15:26:21
vdvorn
Lord Team, thanks a lot, I will investigate your post thoroughly.
May be you have also some advices - how to do mastering for my demo-songs in Sonar? Actually, I do not need the professional level - just the basics that you use yourself while recording...
2017/05/27 15:35:47
vdvorn
Cactus Music
Wave editors are a better way to work and how we get the best of both is via "tools". 
You can add any Audio editor to the tools menu using the Cakewalk Tool editor. 


Wow! I would be great, but I did not understand how to do it. Do you mean this complex operation described below?
https://www.cakewalk.com/...-SONARs-Utilities-menu
And how does it work when I clock Adobe Audition in the Utilities menu?
 
PS It looks like this option is not available in Sonar LE... :(
 
2017/05/27 15:40:59
chuckebaby
it may require some registry modifications (if I remember correctly) but once its in the sonar menu, your application will auto open Soundfordge, adobe, exc.
2017/05/27 15:46:10
Cactus Music
Sorry I didn't give details, I had to go and look for the tool I'm talking about but this forum search function doesn't work, and even Google doesn't find it. I don't know why they make it impossible to find. Hopefully scook will chime in as I think he had something to do with writing the tool. 
Google does find the old way of doing it with Reg edit. But wait for someone to give you the link to the tool it's way easier. I'm going to continue my search and will post if I find it. 
 
Once you have Audition in the tools menu all you do is highlight the audio track, go to tools and double click Audition and the track will open in audition. You edit and save and when you re focus on Sonar it askes if you want to save the changes made to the audio.done. 
2017/05/27 15:52:49
vdvorn
Cactus Music
Sorry I didn't give details, I had to go and look for the tool I'm talking about but this forum search function doesn't work, and even Google doesn't find it. I don't know why they make it impossible to find. Hopefully scook will chime in as I think he had something to do with writing the tool. 
Google does find the old way of doing it with Reg edit. But wait for someone to give you the link to the tool it's way easier. I'm going to continue my search and will post if I find it. 
 
Once you have Audition in the tools menu all you do is highlight the audio track, go to tools and double click Audition and the track will open in audition. You edit and save and when you re focus on Sonar it askes if you want to save the changes made to the audio.done. 




Do you mean this link?
http://forum.cakewalk.com...d-to-v23-m3237117.aspx
2017/05/27 15:57:16
Cactus Music
Good job, I just found it too.
 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-HI4FV99Vq6ZlFfdE90Rm85NHc/view
 
Follow the instructions and it should work. I have both Audition and Wave Lab set up. 
 
The problem with Wave editing in Sonar is it takes 3x the mouse clicks and keystrokes to do any given task. 
 
 
2017/05/27 16:07:32
Anderton
Wave editors and multitrack recorders are different animals. Magix Sequoia probably does the best job of combining the two, although it's pricey - around $3,000. Audition is a good wave editor, but pretty incomplete when it comes to multitrack recording.
 
However there are some surprising wave editing functions in SONAR, like being able to cut, copy, and paste individual samples. That's saved me a few times when there were clicks from digital overs. I also normalize "rogue" half-cycles prior to mastering so I can raise the overall level without having to apply dynamics. 
 
I've done articles for Sound on Sound on mastering in SONAR, you can get pretty far for basic applications. The upcoming eZine has a monthly column, "You Mix, We Master" where I master a reader-submitted song, explain what I did, and post the before and after on Cakewalk's YouTube channel.
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