• SONAR
  • Tempo, meter, 1-bar detection problems using Set Project Tempo From Clip. (p.2)
2017/05/24 02:08:29
clegs
Wow, sorry to wait a year to get back to you . . . very busy with other stuff.  FYI - I upgraded to Platinum from Professional.
 
I was only able to get an accurate tempo calculation from Ken's Melodyne suggestion.  It was 124 B PMdead on.  Actually, I only had 4 bars of click at the beginning of this particular song (the rest of the click trk was recorded over when I only had 24 trks on my HD24). I selected that clip section, then click Region FX>Melodyne, and without dragging the clip to the Time Ruler, Melodyne did it's thing and gave me the correct tempo, which I input in the Tempo View and it was all good, perfect, all the measures lined up.  However, a post HD24 vocal track that was recorded in Sonar was out of sync and I have to manually correct it's position. Anybody have ideas on why this happened? It's like Sonar didn't didn't treat it as part of the other tracks.  This also happened anytime I tried to use the Set Measure Beat to Now Time trick.
 
I had another related problem, which was not being able to correct Beat 1 (Sonar was showing beat 1 as beat 2). I was getting error and can't-do messages.  Ken's Karl Rose Video suggestion  cleared that part up. You have to use the Audio Snap Pallet Edit Clip Map on a solid track like the snare or kick (or click), then at the beginning of the song, drag Measure 1 Beat 1 (1:1) marker to the actual first beat of the song.  Then, you must correct the beats before 1:1 (the count or whatever section) to be in the correct order (Ex: 0:1, 0:4, 0.3, 0:2, etc., to 0:1, 0:2, 0:3, 0:4); then you won't get error messages when you try to use the Set Measure Beat to Now Time.  Once that's done, (if you don't have the correct tempo for the song calculated or the tempo varies) you can go thru the song from beginning to end and watch the transients and if they drift off the measures, stop and drag the drifted transient (all the measures following it will also move) and allow it to Snap To Grid to the correct measure.  As you progress thru the song, you'll see that the tempo will show changes, but if the song tempo is fairly consistant, will show as more accurate, and all the measures and beats will line up correctly.  After you're through, go to the Tempo View and review the tempo throughout the song.
 
I think this is only going to be a problem on projects recorded out of Sonar (like my HD24 converted to wav files with a program called HD24 Tools, and imported into Sonar, or projects recorded without a click track or proper beginning (dead time) and count.  Note, Scott Garrigus's Sonar book is amazing and a must have, a great reference; however the solutions he suggested in the book did not work for me or cover the other things I discovered, but more likely they were just not understood well enough by me (probably the latter Scott).  
 
Thanks for your help and let me know what you think about the orphan track out of sync problem I mentioned in the first part of this post.  Thanks. :) -colin in Calif.
2017/05/25 21:59:40
clegs
Thought I had it beaten, but I'm still having an issue with lining up the correct measure 1:1. Everything was going good until I couldn't get 0.1 to fall in line with 0.2, 0.3 0.4  in the count area (0.01 kept snapping back to a measure/beat way before.  Without this, at least I think this is the reason, I get "Unable to specify different measure or beat for start of project" when I try to use Set Measure Beat To Now Time at 1:01 from it's current position at 7:02.  I even tried setting it at 7:01, but no joy.  I'm sure others in my "imported project" situation must have run into this.  Hopefully your masterminds will figure it out for me. :) -colin in Calif.
2017/05/27 00:51:59
seriousfun
The Post-HDR vocal didn't move with the rest of the clips. Before setting the project tempo, either drag the beginning of that clip to the very beginning of the timeline, or right click and Lock the clip position.
2017/05/27 19:42:24
clegs
Cool Doug, thanks.  Any tips of the other issues?
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