• SONAR
  • Can you downgrade subscription?
2017/05/22 05:41:54
occide
Recently I had some problems with Sonar. Now I found that some of the latency problems are because of LP MB EQ / Compressor.
 
I've subscribed for Sonar Pro, but after 6 month of testing and the LP modules not working for me I consider downgrading to the Artist version.
 
Is that possible? I mean without losing what I already paid.
2017/05/22 05:57:12
telecharge
Dunno about your subscription options, but you might want to try the Non Linear mode if you haven't already. Cakewalk claims it's zero latency.
 

2017/05/22 06:51:41
occide
I know about the non-linear mode, but it's not really helpful. It reduces the latency (and midi dropout) issues but doesn't remove them completely. Then I have LP EQ and Comp on like 12 tracks + maybe some buses, means I'd have to toggle like 10-25 instances manually between non-linear and high quality whenever I want to hear "what it would sound like". Sorry, but that's nowhere close to a good workflow.
 
I've already invested in Neutron now, little to no latency or dropout issues in comparison to LP. Not gonna go back.
 
That's not the only problem I have with the Pro Version, I can see almost no benefit over the Artist Version after 6 month or so:
  • I don't do any vocal stuff, so melodyne essentials is completely useless to me
  • The LP plugins are useless to me
  • The Pro Channel Strip and the Style Dials is a nice idea and fun to play with but eventually I never used them again in a real project, almost no 3rd party plugin developers support them. Pure vendor lock.
  • Patch Points & Aux Tracks I don't use
  • Most instruments are dated and not very good, mostly because they are like light versions neither give you many options to get creative nor come with an extensive amount of presets
  • Other plugins ain't much better than freeware or really really old
 
So I don't mean to bash, in the end the whole package only cost around $200 which isn't really that much. But on the other hand I'd rather liked one good plugin / instrument in the package over all this clutter - or at least not pay extra for it like in the Artist Version.
 
Anyway my real question was if it's possible to downgrade from the Pro to the Artist subscription?
2017/05/22 11:08:54
Bristol_Jonesey
I have LP EQ and Comp on like 12 tracks + maybe some buses, means I'd have to toggle like 10-25 instances manually between non-linear and high quality whenever I want to hear "what it would sound like". Sorry, but that's nowhere close to a good workflow.

 
In my opinion, you're using the wrong tool for the job.
 
The LP is a mastering grade Equalizer and should only be used when mastering a 2 track, not on individual tracks.
I'd use the QC EQ in the Pro Channel which has a MUCH lower overhead and is in it's own right, a very capable EQ
2017/05/22 11:56:19
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
If you are on Platinum there are some great plugins coming this month so stay tuned. By downgrading you will miss those :)
 
Edit: I meant plug-in (singular) sorry!
2017/05/22 12:18:49
occide
Bristol_Jonesey
In my opinion, you're using the wrong tool for the job.
 
The LP is a mastering grade Equalizer and should only be used when mastering a 2 track, not on individual tracks.
I'd use the QC EQ in the Pro Channel which has a MUCH lower overhead and is in it's own right, a very capable EQ

Someone smart thought that Pro users should only get the tini-tiny version of the Prochannel EQ without the possibility to pop-out the full size window. That thing is unusable.
 
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
If you are on Platinum there are some great plugins coming this month so stay tuned. By downgrading you will miss those :)

I'm on Pro as I wrote in the beginning. I'm gonna miss those anyway.
 
At first I planed maybe upgrading to Platinum at some point, but the way customers are handled here and on support, when it comes to problems and bugs, does not give me confidence I bet on the right horse.
2017/05/22 12:29:54
Bristol_Jonesey
occide
Bristol_Jonesey
In my opinion, you're using the wrong tool for the job.
 
The LP is a mastering grade Equalizer and should only be used when mastering a 2 track, not on individual tracks.
I'd use the QC EQ in the Pro Channel which has a MUCH lower overhead and is in it's own right, a very capable EQ

Someone smart thought that Pro users should only get the tini-tiny version of the Prochannel EQ without the possibility to pop-out the full size window. That thing is unusable.
 
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
If you are on Platinum there are some great plugins coming this month so stay tuned. By downgrading you will miss those :)

I'm on Pro as I wrote in the beginning. I'm gonna miss those anyway.
 
At first I planed maybe upgrading to Platinum at some point, but the way customers are handled here and on support, when it comes to problems and bugs, does not give me confidence I bet on the right horse.


My point remains - you are using the WRONG tool by inserting the LP on multiple tracks.
 
Which EQ you use is up to you but in this situation the LP is a no-no
2017/05/22 12:34:36
occide
Bristol_Jonesey
My point remains - you are using the WRONG tool by inserting the LP on multiple tracks.
Which EQ you use is up to you but in this situation the LP is a no-no

Then you sir quite frankly missed the point, cause there is no other usable EQ or Compressor in the Pro Version. There are plenty of EQs and Comps, but none you'd would expect as todays standard, good sound, good interface, multiband, etc. Which is one thing I complained about earlier, tons of clutter instead of ONE usable tool. 
2017/05/22 12:43:31
Bristol_Jonesey
With respect, I don't think you know what you've got in your toolbox.
 
For a start you have the Sonitus suite (which put us all in good stead for a good number of years), you have the Classic Creative Suite, there's the Studio Mixing suite which includes all of the Blue Tubes plugins (there are 6 different EQ's in this suite), and even without the flyout, the QC in Professional is far from "unusable".
2017/05/22 12:57:30
mettelus
In all honesty, 3rd party plugins are required to fill gaps, and once you have those a host simply needs to be a host. That said, all hosts do not allow 3rd party plugins, some functionality (like VST3), or other variations, so do not jump into anything without understanding that.
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