• Techniques
  • Speeding up pre-recorded audio without changing pitch (p.2)
2015/11/02 10:41:54
Beepster
scook
Beepster, you are confusing SONAR 2 with SONAR Home Studio 2. Both are older products, SONAR 2 was released around 2002 and SONAR HS2 around 2004.
 
This is a free plug-in which might still work given the age of your DAW. IIRC, it was fairly popular at the time. It is called Delaydots Pitchworks. It can do both pitch and tempo shifting.




Interesting. I might do some searching to see what the difference is (just out of curiosity for the history).
 
Really though I don't know anything about either version so any "help" I provided would have still been as vague and speculative.
 
I am guessing though that maybe Sonar 2 is more like present day Sonar (being a direct ancestor) than Home Studio was which sounds more like one of those simpler offshoot things like Music Creator or GuitarTracks...
 
or perhaps Sonar 2 was still mostly MIDI and HS was where the audio component started getting introduced.
 
I'm sure all that info is somewhere on the intertubes.
 
Cheers.
2015/11/02 16:43:23
kennywtelejazz
I started out with Cakewalk Home Studio 2 and still have it on my XP machine ….
 
The best thing out there that you can get for FREE that runs on XP , that will do time stretching is this ..
http://pro.magix.com/en/samplitude/miditech-english.730.html 
 
The thing is , be prepared to have to deal with a steep learning curve  
 
Kenny
 
2015/11/02 17:06:37
brundlefly
Tim, I'm sure anyone contributing here would be happy to run your audio tracks though one of SONAR's more advanced 'Radius' stretching algorithms to see if the results are more acceptable. Chances are you'll still want re-record, ultimately, but if you want the share the tracks somewhere, I'll give it a go. IIRC, SONAR can open Home Studio files; if that's the case, zipping up the project file with its audio might be the best way to share it.
2015/11/03 12:41:39
Voda La Void
brundlefly - that would be awesome.  Thank you for that.  Are you talking about the ole Cakewalk bundle file?  I haven't archived a cakewalk project into a single file in forever, but I remember the bundle file.
 
I can upload it to my web space and then share a link, if that will work.  
2015/11/03 13:11:46
Beepster
If I were to do it (IF... I'm a little lethargic/busy and don't want to disappoint or make promises I can't keep) I would generally ask for track exports of the files (so a wave for each track that needs to be time stretched) at the original project's samplerate/bit depth. These would need to be exported from the VERY start of the project (silence and all) so 00:00:00 to the end of the project. No FX added and exported at a good solid volume.
 
And EXACT details on the samplerate/bit depth, original tempo and target tempo.
 
Going from a bundle from an ANCIENT version into a newer version and then back again is just asking for problems. Simple waves can be easily moved back and forth.
 
All I'd do at that point is set up the project using the original samplerate/bit depth/tempo (oh and time sig... that's important too), perform the stretching/bouncing, export the waves and send them back.
 
Like I said... I ain't saying I'll do it. Just offering a potential collaborative workflow I've used in the past that works and avoids cross version futzery (this way the work could even be done in OTHER DAWS).
 
Maybe someone who hasn't had a chance to really play with this type of thing will step up for the learning experience or one of the pros with a little more brainspace and time will handle it. If not let me know and maybe I'll give it a whack.
2015/11/03 14:14:39
brundlefly
Beepster
And EXACT details on the samplerate/bit depth, original tempo and target tempo.
 
Going from a bundle from an ANCIENT version into a newer version and then back again is just asking for problems. Simple waves can be easily moved back and forth.



The need to know the starting tempo and clip start times, etc., and the desire not to put Tim through the wringer with export complications is why I thought it would be easiest to just have a copy of the project. But going the other way, I thought I might just return time-stamped audio files for import rather than a project that might not be backward-compatible with Home Studio.
 
Tim, I would suggest just zipping up the project with its audio folder (assuming Home Studio does per-project audio folders...?) using 7Zip rather than using a bundle, but either would probably work.
2015/11/03 16:00:44
Beepster
brundlefly
The need to know the starting tempo and clip start times, etc., and the desire not to put Tim through the wringer with export complications is why I thought it would be easiest to just have a copy of the project. But going the other way, I thought I might just return time-stamped audio files for import rather than a project that might not be backward-compatible with Home Studio.
 
Tim, I would suggest just zipping up the project with its audio folder (assuming Home Studio does per-project audio folders...?) using 7Zip rather than using a bundle, but either would probably work.




Def's. Good skill to have though and OP seems clever enough (if he managed to absorb and execute my meandering nonsense).
 
bapu gave me a crash course in export/collab/file sharing my first month here (and beyond). I am eternally greatful for that.
2015/11/03 19:35:20
Voda La Void
brundlefly - Home Studio just has the main audio data folder. 
 
I think I'm just going to re-record this one.  I appreciate the offer.  It will be for the best, in the end.
2015/11/04 02:02:15
brundlefly
Yes, probably best to re-record. Stretching that many entire tracks is never going to sound great.
 
Cheers,
Dave
2015/11/04 09:47:37
mettelus
It sounds as if you are already deep into the project with a lot of tracks. Based on that I would tend to finish it "as is" and then adjust the final mix down track. Audacity is a free program that will do this fairly well, and if adjusting by only a few percent should not be egregious with artifacts.
© 2024 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1

Use My Existing Forum Account

Use My Social Media Account