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  • midi over bluetooth in SONAR?
2016/03/05 18:37:16
pjkemp
I checked all over the net and here in the cakewalk forums, and can find no references to midi over bluetooth LE support for devices or software on windows 10. The BT stack seems to see the bluetooth midi device, (Yamaha MD-BT01) ... is that enough for SONAR to use that as a valid midi port or is there more needed from the OS?

If everything from the OS is available, are there any plans to implement Midi over BT LE in SONAR.
 
things are working just great with this adapter and IOS 9.2.1 on an ipad. Additional mapping software was needed to enable it to be used with Propellerhead's Thor synth...
 
Thanks in advance....
Phil Kemp
 
2016/03/06 10:23:54
Anderton
I think MIDI over Bluetooth is still in its early stages. 
2016/03/06 11:42:36
Paul P
 
I don't see how Sonar would be involved.  Shouldn't it just see a midi device like any other ?
 
I have no idea what software/drivers are involved on the bluetooth side of things, but that's not Sonar's domain.
2016/03/06 11:54:34
jpetersen
If you have a midi-over-bluetooth device (for example the Korg microKey air series) you can use it with any midi software.
 
You will have been provided with drivers that need to be installed.
Once that's done you're good to go.
2016/03/06 13:12:31
azslow3
Based on Google, there is no general answer either that is going to work.
 
Korg has BLE-MIDI Driver and explicitly mention Windows as supported.
Yamaha keep absolute silence about Windows support.
2016/03/06 17:41:34
jpetersen
The Yamaha adapter the OP mentions is indeed specifically for iOS and OSX.
The list of compatible apps are all Apple-only, too.
Most apps seem to be of the learn-to-play variety. I don't see Logic mentioned.
 
No drivers available to download, so either Apple OSs already have Midi over Bluetooth class-compliant drivers built in (can this be?), or the apps themselves are written for the bluetooth interface. This might explain why Logic is not in the list of compatible apps.
 
2016/03/06 17:55:43
tlw
Apple's OS X's Core MIDI does indeed include MIDI over Bluetooth. Also MIDI over wifi/ethernet.

Both work very well and without trauma.

Yamaha only seem to list Yamaha apps for the adaptor, but I can't see any reason it wouldn't work with any OS X/iOS application so long as it's Core MIDI compatible.
2016/03/06 22:42:43
Anderton
I'm not 100% sure about this, but I believe Apple is taking its own path with Bluetooth MIDI that is different from Google and Microsoft. With MIDI slated to be on 2.6 billion Android devices by the end of the year, I hope the industry "pulls a MIDI" and comes up with a common protocol. 
2016/03/08 07:13:41
pjkemp
I can verify that it works on my ipad for thor (propellerhead) via a bluetooth mapping app (this is what is needed on windows IMHO, ref. anderton post on MS, and Google BT) to provide a virtual midi interface for thor since thor does not yet have midi core embedded....
 
in this way SONAR could 'wait' until the interface is baked on windows....
 
PK
2016/03/08 07:46:11
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
There is no inbox class compliant driver for MIDI over bluetooth in Windows yet. A third party could write one.
For it to work in SONAR it would have to be a MME compliant driver that supports the MIDI API. From what I remember MS may have it on their dolist but only for the newer universal apps MIDI API.
 
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