2015/09/03 21:51:01
ohgrant
I had a long post started and realized how bad my workflow really is as it goes to writing songs. I have so few and even fewer originals I'd let anyone hear. Some really great input and awesome formulas to consider. Great workflow suggestions and thread brother Billy.
2015/09/07 07:06:01
Kalle Rantaaho
AT
what the hell is wrong with the forum software and win 10?  This is the second time I've tried to reply on this subject but if it just disappears.  Not funny.




There's been cases when the posts of a member suddenly start going to Cakewalks trash bin. It happened to me last year. One of the moderators picked them up made "legal" again.
2015/09/07 09:56:44
AT
Thanks Kalle.  It is something w/ Win 10 - or it just started.  Sometimes pages will blink and disappear, and sometimes the whole program.  It is not just Cakewalk, it just happened twice when I was writing this particular thread.  And always toward the end of a longish one.
2015/09/07 10:38:43
pwalpwal
win10 - but which browser? no change here, but i'm still using waterfox
2015/09/11 15:30:44
Danny Danzi
bayoubill
I'll want to say up front that before I start recording I have a very good idea of all the parts to the song I'm writing. I don't write or make it up as I go. I did try that but I didn't finish one song that way.
 
The way that works for me
 
Method 1 - I record the rhythm section to the tune. I usually start with the bass part.The reason I do this is for consistency of the tone etc. I've discovered,for me, if I record another instrument when I go back to the bass part I can't find the exact same sound I had before. 
After bass I usually put the drum part in. Again staying with it till I'm finished. Then the rhythm/fill guitar parts. 
Then comes the melody and instruments like vocals, strings etc.
 
Method 2 - I do the intro/ verse(2 bars at a time mostly)/chorus (again 2 bars at a time mostly) till finished. This takes longer but I get a more intricate recording than method 1. 
Method 2 is how I did Autumn Leaves
 
What do you guys think? What's your method? Input is welcome. Do you know a better way?




I'd say there is no "better than" other than the way that works for you. Songs come to us in many forms. Sometimes I hear a drum beat, sometimes I hear a guitar riff, sometimes a bass riff, other times a completed song or chorus in my head.
 
To get the ideas out of my head, I ALWAYS create a quick little click track using Sonar's Step Sequencer to create a tempo map. This is crucial to me as it also gives me a chance to practice the chords I'm going to play next. With this method, I can lay down a guitar and then a bass track in sections in minutes and then I'm singing to see if things will even work. Or...if this is a guitar instrumental, I'm playing a lead solo over top of the chords to see if the idea is even worth it. If it's an all systems go situation with the song, once the guitars and bass are tracked, I'll go back and play real drums to it and will sing and orchestrate from there. But I always start with a click track to log my ideas and test over them.
 
I find that ideas recorded in this manner will either sink or swim and I know in an instant without spending loads of time....on whether or not the idea will even work. Sometimes songs sound good in our heads...but once we extract them, well, they don't move us in the way we may have hoped.
 
Another idea that has worked incredibly well for me is using Sonar's Matrix. I record little pieces of stuff on a daily basis. Call me the Musical Hoarder as I have enough ideas to probably write about 100 albums or more worth of material. Anyway....throwing those ideas into the Matrix can help create arrangements in seconds because you have the ability to place the song sections into the Matrix and then just drag things around to show you all the cool combinations that you can come up. This also can help you arrange something by accident that you wouldn't normally do on your own because of how the Matrix offers options on piecing things together.
 
Quick example: My band and I record at my home studio one week then we record at my big studio down the shore the next, which is run by my bassist because he and his brother (our drummer) live down there. So sometimes we record ideas here and then ideas down there. We throw them into the Matrix and literally create songs as well as cool arrangements, press the record button and it spits out a song with the parts we supplied. Try it out sometime....it will actually inspire you to go in directions you may not have ever thought of. :)
 
This of course doesn't sound great or anything as we have two different sounds from both the studios, but all we are looking for are pro-pro sections of our songs.....not the final song. We create our template that way as well as our arrangement. So when we go to record the song for real, we have the Matrix version to guide us if need be. :) It's been quite cool doing things like that and has taken us down a few different paths that we may not have visited without it.
 
-Danny
2015/09/12 12:06:17
Cactus Music
 
I'm similar to Bit as I have more or less 3 ways that I will end up recording. With a live band I get the best results because the whole song is recorded live. We focus on a good drum take and then overdub each part later. 
For original songs  I always load up a drum pattern or at least a hi hat to get going. Very few songs work for me with just a metronome.  I have a collection of patterns that I dumped from my Roland 505 to my Atari so I know them very well. They are encripted with titles like D1 ( Rock ) or B7 ( waltz). I still have the 505 patched in so I might use it to set a tempo. Now there's a feature request for you-- a tempo KNOB!  
I then play a simple guitar part and sing ( or mumble if the lyrics are forthcoming for an original) 
I might record the bass at this point but I like to lock the bass to the kick so I probably will finnish the kick track first. 
I now own a set of digital drums so my drum building method has vastly improved now. But I still eneter the kick drum on the keyboard becuase I suck at my timing using the pedal.  
I always will finish a vocal part at this point so the rest of the parts can fit in. 
 
My third recording style is making live backing tracks and I follow the above method more or less. Up until the internet came along I had to roll my own. These days I might get lucky and find a usable drum track on line. This is rare, most of the free midi files are terribly done. 
But I still start with the drums and lay down a scratch vocal and guitar part. 
I don't add a lot to these tracks as my style is just to have good drums and bass. I play guiar live and I don't even want a second guitar in the mix. I do like to have some keyboard parts for fill. 
 
 
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