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2015/04/05 13:18:01
Sanderxpander
So you're using the Tone List ins, I guess? Or at least it seems to me that you should.
2015/04/07 08:38:45
DANDERMAN123@DSLEXTREME.COM
Well, I tried replacing the Instrument Definition  from Studio Set to Tone List, as suggested above, and individual patches now appear in SONAR to some degree.
 
I am not sure if any of them are SUPERNATURAL patches, but at least there are patches.
 
Since I have a gig coming up and my songs in SONAR all use the Studio Set, I won't be able to play around with Tone List for a bit, but it does look promising.
2015/04/07 10:59:00
Sanderxpander
Glad to hear you're making progress. I would suggest studying up a little on the midi implementation guide. It seems pretty clearly organized in banks. You can send all these messages (bank MSB/LSB) directly from a midi track, if you have the voice name list close it would be almost as easy as the ins file.
2015/04/08 14:18:27
riojazz
Right or wrong, this is what I did.
 
I took that Studio Set file and edited it down to what I use.  I eliminated all the PCM stuff and many of the presets.  I kept the SRX entries for the four (out of twelve) that I use most.  I especially kept the Preset SN (Supernatural) Acoustic Tone, and Expansion SN (Supernatural) Tone entries.  And also the instrument definitions section at the bottom.
 
Then I made a safety backup of the master.ins file in the C:/Cakewalk Content/SONAR Platinum/Instruments folder, and renamed my edited file master.ins
 
2015/04/19 18:30:45
Rob[at]Sound-Rehab
DANDERMAN123@DSLEXTREME.COM
Well, I tried replacing the Instrument Definition  from Studio Set to Tone List, as suggested above, and individual patches now appear in SONAR to some degree.
 



I had a look at this myself today. Using the Tone List (the Studio Set list seems pretty useless) I get all patches in the selection list and can also use the left mouse button patch search (click with left mouse button on patch selection list in Sonars MIDI channel) on Integra-7 sounds ... pretty cool ...  at first, I got a little confused because it also has the user presets in the Tone List and if you did not create some user presets first you end up loading empty tones/patches ...
 
The Roland VST editor is a piece of crap, however. Totally counter-intuitive. Mouse only. No ACT mappings, ...
 
The other available editor, which is not a VST and only works as standalone windows program, seems to be better ... at least more intuitive, with mouse wheel functionality, etc.
 
 
 
 
2015/04/20 12:17:18
riojazz
I was just experimenting with the Integra-7 Editor Version 2, found here:  http://synth-voice.sakura.ne.jp/Integra-7_Sound_Editor_english.html
 
Once installed, you follow the directions for SONAR X3 Users. 
 
Insert the Editor as a VST3 Soft Synth. 
 
After doing this, I could set the patch in the editor and create MIDI tracks using the patches.
2015/08/14 13:56:17
DANDERMAN123@DSLEXTREME.COM
So, I am kind of getting by using the Integra-7 with Sonar Platinum, but I have not yet been able to integrate the Supernatural sounds into the Tone List, mostly due to time limitations, I have not yet set aside the time to figure this whole thing out.
 
 
2016/01/04 18:36:18
DANDERMAN123@DSLEXTREME.COM
Sanderxpander
I think you need to get a different instrument definition file or check the Integra's midi implementation guide. As weirdly handicapped as some Roland instruments are, I can't believe a studio sound module wouldn't support selection of individual patches/programs. Perhaps different bank numbers are detailed in the midi spec to get to the patches/programs?

EDIT:
Yeah it looks like the guide specifies different bank MSB/LSB for individual programs. Example;
MSB 085 | LSB 000 | PC 001 - 064 | Studio Set | 01 - 64

MSB 089 | LSB 000 - 001 | PC 001 - 128 | User SN Acoustic Tone | 0001 - 0256

Check the guide for more. No idea if there is a premade instrument definition file available, but with this you should at least be able to get there "manually" and store whichever programs you were using within your project.



This is probably the best solution. I could pull up any tone or sound inside the Integra using MSB/LSP, assuming that I had the time to do so.
2016/01/07 10:06:02
DANDERMAN123@DSLEXTREME.COM
OK, I kind of have a fix, after a couple of days of research.
 
Step One: Make sure you know the Global channel for the Integra. The default is channel 16, but you need to go into the System submenu to find out, that requires hitting "Menu", "System", "Midi" and then you can see the Studio Set Control Channel, which should be 16.
 
Step Two: Create a new Midi track in your sequence labeled something like "Integra Control Channel", assign it to your Integra, and then make sure that channel 16 is selected. If you do choose a control channel, make sure that you write the change to memory by hitting "Write" and "Edit" at the same time from the System submenu.
 
Step Three: You need to create three events, starting at 1:01:001 of your sequence, and separated in time by 1 beat:
 
Control event, Controller number 0, Value 85
Control event, Controller number 32, Value 0
Patch change event, type "normal", Value between 1 and 16.
 
The value you choose for the patch change will call up one of 16 Studio Sets.
 
Step Four: Edit your choice of Studio Set so that the instruments and their assigned Midi channel work for you. For example, Studio Set 6 is Rock Band, and I modified the second part so that the Midi channel is 2 and the part type is Bass (I always use Channel 2 for bass). Make sure that you write the changes to memory when you are done. Then, make sure that your bass instrument in your sequence is using Channel 2 and that it is assigned to the Integra.
 
You should be able to copy the Track containing the Integra Control Channel Studio Set settings on Channel 16 to other Midi sequences.
 
One issue is that using this approach individual volume and patch settings for the instruments in the Studio set don't work from the console, so you may have to set your volume using the dreaded controller 7 in the Event View screen.
 
2016/01/07 16:49:21
DANDERMAN123@DSLEXTREME.COM
... and now my Studio Set edits have disappeared, leaving me with a Rock Band Set with "init tone" for every preset.
 

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