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2017/11/25 06:47:39
outland144k
riojazz
I've spent a few minutes on demos, not enough to mean anything or research what I don't know, but just to play.  Mixcraft had a music notation view and I could edit in it.  I couldn't find one on Studio One.
 



Studio One 3.5 reWires to Notion and apparently the edits in one send the edits to the other. I haven't tried this out yet (I currently only have the demo for Studio One). The Black Friday price for Studio One and Notion is about $225US. This is from the PreSonus site:
 
Or create a music production powerhouse by pairing Notion 6 with Studio One 3, where you can now send audio, note, track, VST and score data directly between the applications. The workflow between Notion 6 and Studio One 3 is unprecedented, as both applications can run side by side on the same computer or on any computers on the same network.
 
Learn more about Notion’s compatibility.
For a potent, yet easy-to-use combination, take advantage of Notion 6’s tight integration with Studio One. Compose in Studio One and send note data to Notion for editing and printing parts. Enjoy Notion’s superior playback sounds, notation capabilities, and video scoring features in combination with Studio One’s in-depth editing, processing, and (with Studio One Professional) integrated Melodyne, mastering, and digital release features. Export the audio or note data for each track and import it into a copy of Notion 6 running anywhere on the network.Better yet, Notion 6 can look for instances of Studio One anywhere on your network, automatically open a new project, and send the audio files or note data, track data, and score data straight to the DAW, retaining instrument name, score order, pan and gain settings, rehearsal marks, initial time signature, and metronome marks.Want to transcribe in Notion and have a reference track? Or perhaps you’d like to add audio effects for triggering during a Notion live performance. With Notion 6, you can send audio from Studio One to any instance of Notion on your network or on the same machine, setting up a new score and attaching the audio to it.Notion supports audio and MIDI over ReWire as a host and slave in 64-bit or 32-bit mode. During playback, with Notion as the host, you have full access to Notion’s playback and performance features using the computer keyboard or MIDI keyboard. As the stereo stream from the slave application arrives at Bus A in the mixer, you can alter gain, panning, effects, and so on, just like any other instrument. Send multiple MIDI tracks and buses from Notion to any ReWire-equipped application and drive your instruments directly from notation, including articulations.When Notion is acting as the slave application it follows the commands of a host application. Notion can send up to 32 streams to the host application, start and stop playback, and audition new notes. In fact, you may even forget that Notion is in slave mode until the host begins a playback operation. 
2017/11/25 07:30:20
Bassman002
HI:)
 
I worked now 31 years with Cakewalk and I will go on working with Sonar, but I want to be weaponed for the worst case and now I bought a Crossgrade  Cubase 9.5 at Sweetwater for 255$!
 
I've looked a lot of Youtube Videos from different DAWs, especially Studio One, but the best I solution for me for the future will be Cubase.
 
Steinberg Software was the very first Sequenzer I worked with on C64, years before Cakewalk came up on PC:)
 
So I started with Steinberg, and with Steinberg it will end maybe:)
 
But my first choice is Sonar and it ever will be!!
 
Bassman.
 
2017/11/25 10:59:28
Anderton
To try to put perspective on things...it so depends on what you want to do and what you need to do. 
 
If only one of any of the existing DAWs was left, I'd still be able to make music with it. Cubase, Studio One. Mixcraft, Live...they're all great programs, but designed by different people who prioritized different aspects of making music on a computer. If you get hung up on "DAW A has features A, B, R, and G, while DAW B has features C, D, H, and R, but also has G, but it's not as well implemented as DAW A...but DAW C implements feature G better than anyone, but doesn't even have features B and R...but does have features T and P," you'll go insane.
 
As I've said before, if you go to ANY forum for ANY DAW you'll come away convinced that none of them work at all. But they all do. And they all have limitations and bugs.
 
I did decide my next DAW has to be cross-platform (Windows desktop at home, MacBook Pro when traveling), which rules out Logic and Mixcraft. I do agree that Mixcraft's specialty is underpromising and overdelivering. For example their video capabilities are better than Pro Tools, and their looping options are exceptional. 
 
They're all good. What matters is what matters to you, which depends totally on what was important to the developers.
2017/11/25 11:43:08
aidanodr
Basseman
HI:)

I worked now 31 years with Cakewalk and I will go on working with Sonar, but I want to be weaponed for the worst case and now I bought a Crossgrade Cubase 9.5 at Sweetwater for 255$!

I've looked a lot of Youtube Videos from different DAWs, especially Studio One, but the best I solution for me for the future will be Cubase.

Steinberg Software was the very first Sequenzer I worked with on C64, years before Cakewalk came up on PC:)

So I started with Steinberg, and with Steinberg it will end maybe:)

But my first choice is Sonar and it ever will be!!

Bassman.

 
https://www.sweetwater.co.store/detail/CubaseP95CG
2017/11/25 12:08:22
ChazEd
After this gibson/cakewalk disaster, I say: forget daw comparisons.
 
Stick with the Big Guns (Cubase, Logic & Pro Tools) and don't worry about zombieware (for now) or broken vaporware (next windows update LOL).
 
I'll stick with Live for now, and if this poll can be trusted, I made the right decision:
 
https://www.gearslutz.com...ial-poll-d-2017-a.html
2017/11/25 13:56:26
GaryMedia
bitflipper
The surprise dark horse candidate is Mixcraft. It's far more sophisticated than I expected, given that it's been awhile since I last looked at it. If cost is a major factor, Mixcraft is the least-expensive alternative at the moment.
 



I took a quick tour of the forum for Mixcraft and couldn't find and answer to this issue.  I hope you can answer off the top of your head.
 
I have a Studio One Professional V3.5 upgrade in the pipeline; up from V2.x Professional (that I never used).  However, I took a look at the Mixcraft (acoustica.com) site and as a big fan of iZotope products, the Mastering Essentials caught my eye.  Do you happen to know if it's 'trapped' inside MixCraft like the Adaptive Limiter is trapped inside of Sonar?  In addition, the Ferox Tape Emulator and the Pianissimo VSTi seem to be excellent things that would push me to buy if they aren't proprietary to Mixcraft.  
2017/11/25 14:31:43
THambrecht
I already choosed Cubase Pro 9.5
Important for me was: Offline Rendering (we need this to restore old records), audioclip management with batch numbering thousends of clips, batch exporting from thousends of clips, project templates, track templates, fx chains, fast zoom in and out, the posibility to record over 100 hours of audio in one project, fast splitting thousends of clips, audioclips can be processed with wavelab, More then one marker track, enhanced Video ... compatible to AVID controllers, compatible to Console 1 ...
So I can do my work in Cubase - and also make music.
2017/11/25 15:02:02
yummay
I'm also looking for a DAW replacement that'll have the following:
 
- Cross-Platform (we never know)
- strong hardware / software relationship that has a long history... kind of hoping that regular cashflow is being injected to those collaborating companies...
- Strong "Ableton live"-like features (mainly, a performance pannel able to support key / time signature / tempo / controllers from the performance pannel's cells... Live looks like the only one viable out there, even if i'm a hopeless beginner in that aspect of things...)
 
So besides the obvious Ableton Live, the only runner ups for me are still the usual Cubase / Studio One / and now maybe even ARDOUR (still was not able to confirm that regular windows VSTs are running on it's windows version...)
 
Anyway, i'm sticking with SPLAT (and X3 as a "authorised backup" for at least a year...)
2017/11/25 15:31:06
jimkleban
I have been a CAKEWALK user since the 80s.... but over the years, I would now and then demo (or even buy) other DAWs.  I currently have PRO TOOLs and PRESONUS.... 
 
The dilemma for me isn't so much the features replacement products have (they all pretty much do what I need them to do) but it is more about LEARNING CURVES.
 
Of the two alternatives I currently own, I can easily say that PRESONUS is much easier to navigate and understand what I need to do to set up projects.  Can't say the same for PT... with PT, I am consistently getting bogged down in trying to figure how to do something that I don't even have to think about when using SPLAT.
 
I guess the other good thing for me (at least) in this situation, is that I never used any of the FREEBIE plugins or advanced features of SPLAT so my projects are pretty much vanilla (audio tracks, midi tracks triggering 3rd party plugs, etc). Any of the freebie plugins that I liked, I would up purchasing the full versions.  The ones that come to mind are: Melodyne and TH3 so instead of having tospend a lot of money at once to keep using these plugins, I have spent a lot of money slowly over the years.
 
I am sorry to see CAKEWALK go but the writing was on the wall... free LIFETIME upgrades (really)? Cancelled MAC version of SONAR, etc.  and I for one, will probably go the PRESONUS route based upon my recent real world experiences.  The other good thing about Presonus is that they have really nailed add-on hardware thing, closely integrated their software was many options for their own hardware audio interfacing at NO WHERE near the cost of doing this was with the PT offerings and quite honestly, not even able to do this with CAKEWALK.
 
Now, does anyone know of a method to PORT existing SONAR projects to another DAW for this could be an important feature in making my decision of which DAW to migrate to.
 
Sorry to see CAKEWALK go but it has been a long and wonderful 30 year trip for me.  
 
Talk about a BLACK FRIDAY!
2017/11/25 16:04:03
JohnEgan
Anderton
To try to put perspective on things...it so depends on what you want to do and what you need to do. 

Totally, obviously there's many people still using much earlier versions of Sonar and are perfectly content with it getting them from point A to Z. Coincidentally, I was content with 2017.06 and Id thought Id stay with that for some time as I didn't really see any new features I wanted or needed since, guess this pretty much happened without my choice as it turns out, LOL. My bigger dread perhaps more so now is moving to Win10.
 
If I move to a secondary DAW system, my criteria may be more based on sustainability, using this as a lesson, it may be which product supplier is least likely to go belly up and remain consistent in the long term. and yet still introduce new technologies and features, I think Sonar was doing this well for the 30 years it lasted. I would think its a somewhat costly business to support effectively and efficiently, if your offering innovation, good support and have a first class team of developers and programmers employed. You would have to be consistently attracting new clients to buy your products, and/or maintain income through high subscription costs, and/or have other primary and more profitable product lines to help sustain the DAW software product line, which may actually represent a net loss.
I guess in terms of sustainability, Pro-Tools may be a good but costly option, sustained by their Avid mother product lines, and having established their "industry standard" foothold. Studio 1 may be a cheaper option, sustained by Pre-Sonus and its integration with their hardware product lines, as long as these remain prosperous. Im not sure where Steinberg's CuBase fits in here, i.e., in terms of other product lines that may sustain their DAW software products, perhaps they may have a large enough user base and update costs to maintain them , Im also not sure of Ableton or other smaller DAW suppliers sustainability (or other corporate affiliations), perhaps they're actually small enough to survive, or their technologies will be bought out by corporate giants eventually.
 
Having recently tried out free Pro-Tools/First and Studio 1 versions, I thought Id died and gone to DAW hell in both cases, LOL. Having started with and always stayed with Sonar, perhaps in part it was a familiarity bias and resistance to change habits.            
 
Im sure with Gibson, it was a losing proposition to sustain Sonar, even with costs of their instruments skyrocketing,  Im not sure how many struggling musicians can afford to buy them these days, and there's only so many "rock stars" to sell to who can afford them, in any case I dont imagine they could justify maintaining an unprofitable DAW software. As good as it is, Cakewalk/Sonar has been stomped on by the corporate giants, as happens with most smaller companies, to take that share of the market away from the small guy. Then I guess all are at the mercy of having to constantly adapt and integrate with changing MS and Apple operating systems and where they decide go with them, and not to mention ever changing physical computer hardware technology advancements, these must represent significant costs, aside from the continued development of the DAW itself. I guess there's probably few DAW suppliers that will weather this storm in the long run, if that's the only product they have to offer. Perhaps its all part of a bigger corporate strategy to take back this part of the market from small software developers and home music producers, by overpricing DAW softwares and too take them out of realm of the small guy, and yet on the other hand people are producing music from their smartphones these days.
 
Its likely the only way Cakewalk/Sonar could be resurrected, and still be a leader in introducing innovative technologies into their DAW regularly, as in the petition thread, is if some corporate giant like MS takes it under their wing as a pet project to cater to what may be considered us, the last devoted and elite group of Sonarians, destined to extinction. 
 
As for me, since Im not relying on this as a career, or need to conform or be assimilated to industry standards Ill be perfectly fine continuing using what may be the last version of Sonar and using Win7 OS, for as long as it allows me to do what I want and need to do.
 
Cheers 
   
 
 
 
 
 
   
         
 
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