kennywtelejazz
The key to unlocking the full potential of the DAW does not lie within the DAW only .
The Key to unlocking the DAW  lie's within the users ability to see and fully understand that what they are doing while using  the DAW is only a reflection of the skills they may or may not posses in the first place ...
 
[snip]
 
If I happen to be the "main person in charge " in my own private Kingdom of The DAW ...and if it turns out  I'm not getting the results I had hoped for ...
 
Then Who do I blame ? myself or the DAW ?

Although your entire post is quite profound, IMHO the sections above apply universally to any DAW and all DAWs. 
 
The only thing I'd add is that some people have not yet found their "true love" when seeking a DAW, and I would encourage them to keep looking to find the DAW with which they "click." But if they keep finding that every DAW "doesn't to this" or "doesn't do that," then it doesn't matter which DAW they use because they can't provide what the DAW needs to do its work.
 
Compared to the days of 2" tape, today's DAWs are so advanced and offer so much capability they provide an unbelievable "amplifier" to a person's talents. But if there's nothing to amplify...turning up the gain just produces noise.
 
 
 
 

Anderton
 
today's DAWs are so advanced and offer so much capability they provide an unbelievable "amplifier" to a person's talents. But if there's nothing to amplify...turning up the gain just produces noise.

Yup, exactly!!!

kennywtelejazz
What is it that makes a user loyal ?
Commitment to oneself first . Then having a reasonable expectation of what they can and plan on accomplishing with the chosen tool / DAW they are using ...
With out that all bets are off ...
Why ?
There happens to be a tremendous amount of personal energy and time that has to be invested in the first place .
The Honeymoon phase of looking at the GUI while dreaming about all the nice Musical Places were gonna go to using  this DAW is pretty short lived when you consider that sooner or later your gonna have to either take the red pill or the blue pill to be able to leave the comfort of the Matrix to see things for what they actually are
It can be a very shocking personal revelation to find out that on a core level "as much as one thinks they know" ...
"they don't really know $hit " ..
This is a Crossroads with many possible out comes ....
Depending on the individuals capacity to be truthful to themselves they may only encounter only 2 " real categories " to confront ... 
One can accept that the DAW itself is not only a tool that not only does music , but it is also a Hidden Kingdom or Realm where the user can explore the vastness of ones own limitless creativity within the confines of working within the DAW ...
What I find most interesting about this concept is , in truth the DAW as a tool  itself is indeed also limitless  ..
The key to unlocking the full potential of the DAW does not lie within the DAW only .
The Key to unlocking the DAW  lie's within the users ability to see and fully understand that what they are doing while using  the DAW is only a reflection of the skills they may or may not posses in the first place ...
 
Speaking from personal experience , the truth of "that little nugget" can be somewhat of a shocking thing to become aware of in oneself ...
If things "ain't happening" I can rent a canoe and go to Da Nile or I can look at the reflection in the mirror  ...
 
 
If I happen to be the "main person in charge " in my own private Kingdom of The DAW ...and if it turns out  I'm not getting the results I had hoped for ...
 
Then Who do I blame ? myself or the DAW ?
 
IMHO , this is the stepping off point for many people ( myself included at times ) ...
 
Without getting into a whole deep psychological mental rubiks cube of defining the whole who , what,  when , and why of it all ...I will keep it simple ...
 
The temptation to jump to a different DAW  may indeed have an allure to it that may seen irresistible to a person who wants to keep it light and easy on themselves ....
There are people out there that have no desire to swim the deep in of the pool  ...
I'm willing to bet that most of us here want to swim the deep end of the pool or else we wouldn't be here ..right ?
 
So what would be a good answer on a personal level for me to define the whole
What is it that makes a user loyal ?
in a nut shell ,
Having the Absolute Freedom to go out and find out for myself what's out there in a DAW  regardless of what I or another person thinks about what ever personal choices  on a DAW I may or may not happen to  make  ...
I firmly believe that no matter what DAW I use ....I'm still gonna hit the same old sticking point ..MYSELF ...
FWIW , I happen to feel that awareness is actually a very good thing    
 
As far as all this chit chat goes I've already been down this Road w Samplitude , Logic , Cubase , Reaper , Acid Pro , and a half a dozen others ...
I keep using SONAR the most , not because I'm Loyal ..
I just happen to feel that SONAR has always been a very good place for me to Learn & Grow
 
all the best,
 
Kenny

That there is some serious Kenny Zen!!! 

Well I clicked with Sonar when I first tried it out over 10 years ago and I've stuck with it ever since. Is that loyalty or just inertia? I have never been quick to jump on any new upgrade and I have skipped over a few versions, so maybe not so loyal. Who knows?

Anderton

kennywtelejazz
The key to unlocking the full potential of the DAW does not lie within the DAW only .
The Key to unlocking the DAW  lie's within the users ability to see and fully understand that what they are doing while using  the DAW is only a reflection of the skills they may or may not posses in the first place ...
 
[snip]
 
If I happen to be the "main person in charge " in my own private Kingdom of The DAW ...and if it turns out  I'm not getting the results I had hoped for ...
 
Then Who do I blame ? myself or the DAW ?

Although your entire post is quite profound, IMHO the sections above apply universally to any DAW and all DAWs. 
 
The only thing I'd add is that some people have not yet found their "true love" when seeking a DAW, and I would encourage them to keep looking to find the DAW with which they "click." But if they keep finding that every DAW "doesn't to this" or "doesn't do that," then it doesn't matter which DAW they use because they can't provide what the DAW needs to do its work.
 
Compared to the days of 2" tape, today's DAWs are so advanced and offer so much capability they provide an unbelievable "amplifier" to a person's talents. But if there's nothing to amplify...turning up the gain just produces noise.
 
 
 
 

Sure , I happen to agree with you 100 % .  I'm happy I was able to post something that you found value in
 

abacab
 
 
That there is some serious Kenny Zen!!! 

Hi abacab ,
 
Kenfucius say,
 
There is no way I'm gonna re-quote myself w that monster sized post .
 
I'm very glad you did enjoy it ....
 
all the best,
 
Kenny
 
 

Hi Guys,
 
I'm playing the bump card here & I need to go OT for a sec...
A couple of days ago both Craig and abacab were kind enough to take the time to write up a few comments about something I had said in this thread
At the time I wrote up a quick thank you response to each individual as my way of saying thank you .
When I went back to edit a few spelling mistakes the forum software decided to trash my post ...
I gave time time & waited about a day to see if my post was restored ..it wasn't .  
I contacted a forum Mod "Dave AKA bitfliipper" and asked him if he could look into restoring my post ...
BTW, a quick thank you sent out to Dave
Dave also hipped me to the fact that in the future when and if this happens again that it would be most helpful for me to add all the information that would make it much easier for him to track down the missing post ...
The Thread Title and the forum section ....apparently I hadn't done that in the past sorry Dave
 
Now why sit here and explain all this ?
The World still would have went on . The Sun would have come up any way if my post was stuck in the trash ..
 
The thing is , That's not the way I roll ...I was brought up with manners . I'm here to build a bridge not burn one ...
Since I was brought up old school , when someone takes the time to respond in a personal manner to an Idea or a small seed of a concept that could be developed further and grow , I feel that it is my responsibility to honor the person and show them the full respect they deserve for having taken the time to investigate the idea and report the common ground where they have found value ....
 
Had I not tried to follow through to restore my post ..even late ...
I personally feel that if the post stayed in the trash it could have been considered a Snub to both Craig and abacab .
FWIW ,  they may have not taken it that way because they are both great people ...but I myself don't want to put that type of energy of vibe out there by coming off passive aggressive ...
 
Please accept my apologies for having to go here ...
 
Kenny
 

Anyone who lived through the X1 rollout and is still using Sonar today, is a loyal user! 

BobF

DrLumen
I think the term "loyal user" is just an expression. Initially I would say it is someone that has used CW for a long time. I personally started with CW for DOS. I'm not sure that would make me loyal though as I was seduced once by "greener grass" across the street. However, I found it had just been painted!
 
Perhaps my return makes me a reformed user?
 
Love the Aeon Flux homage. :)
 

 
 
 

It's actually Walter/Heisenberg, Aeon works too

 
This reminds of a Venus Flytrap with a pupil more than anything else.
 

 I look at it from a reverse perspective. Who is a developer loyal to its users?  Cakewalk fits the bills.

millzy
Anyone who lived through the X1 rollout and is still using Sonar today, is a loyal user! 

Haha that must have been in honour of me myself and I. Could be heard shouting from the rooftops during the early X1 days. Horrible horrible horrible. So much so that I was labelled a "pest" for my constant negative posts.

Had to be loyal to get through that period of time even though I think I left every other day then returned the next.