rlared
I don't know if Exhibit B would have fit in the subject line 😃

 
That's cool I get you ,  Been there myself more than once with my own thread titles ...
 
OK , here you go
 
Exhibit C 
 
What can we do as forum members to make this forum a lot more positive ?
 
You see now , even with those changes ,  there is still the lingering implication (on an elemental level of communication ) that there may be issues with negativity  ...it's a little toned down and less defined .....
 
It's a conceptual thing I suppose , sort of like like the way a camera lenses operates when the person changes the focus to highlight the intended picture they are about to capture  .
Or the way a person may choose to highlight different musical passages in a songs mix they are working on ..
 
Those type of creative decisions involve willingly invoking a dynamic level of contrasts between opposites .... 
Newtons Third law :
When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body. 
 
Most people are not aware that they are doing these type of creative activity's on a subconscious level ...
 
 A desire to create movement is always a good first step combined with a clear intention abandoning oneself to the seduction of ones own personal  Muse ...
 
I think on a level of mankind's collective consciousness even though most of us are not mathematicians ....
I'm sure not
We can accept to a large degree some of Newtons Laws of Motion ...
 
For example Newtons First Law ............Just so you know I understand the concept ..not the math
The first law can be stated mathematically when the mass is a non-zero constant, as,

Consequently,

• An object that is at rest will stay at rest unless a force acts upon it.
• An object that is in motion will not change its velocity unless a force acts upon it.

 
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motion
 
 
IMHO , I happen to think that Highly Creative people accept that they have honed their craft in their creative pursuits to a highly advanced degree to the point where they can totally trust in their ability to bypass their conscious mind altogether ...this is a desired state of mind because it is much closer to an instantaneous fulfillment of ones own unlimited creative expression in real time ..
In the real Time I speak of , Time does not need to exist because there is no longer a need for the measurement of Time itself ....
One gets to abide and ride a formless form of energy to places they have never dreamed of . The hindrance of the choice elements and attributes of the mind have been removed from the equation  ....
 
Just like in a DAW there is latency ..it is also so in the vast realms of the human mind .
When a person is engaged in the surface level thought of the mind where choices and preferences reside ...
They are now engaged  in the activity of having to choose many things on many levels .
This form of mental activity manifests  itself as a form of latency in the realms of the mind and this is exactly the Latency I am speaking of here ...those attributes and levels of the mind can never reside past the level of mind that is aligned with their purpose... The surface level of the mind at this level only serves the purpose of a gate keeper  
   
 
anyway I'm not asking you to change a thing  in your own thread at this point ...
 
I hope I've illustrated some of my concepts to you effectively 
 
all the best ,
 
Kenny
 
 

Kenny, that was beautiful!!
 
My perspective is simpler………
 
“Can WE make this forum more positive?”
 
In the ensuing answers, very few, if any, addressed how WE (the forum members) can make the forum more positive. The answers (coming of course from the “forum members”) were all about how THEY (the OPs) can make the forum more positive. A fascinating study in human nature.
 
Ironically, a few guys saw the correlation between this discussion and their successful long term relationships with their wives. Well, 32 years here. And I can tell you this. If those that have long term successful relationships with their significant others had approached those relationships with the same mindset as most approached this thread, I dare say those relationships would be neither long term nor successful.
 
Imagine this. Your significant other says something that you don’t like. An argument ensues. Sensing futility, you both go to your respective corners momentarily to cool off. In the interim, you think, “I’m sick of arguing. Now is a good time to assess our relationship, and think of ways to improve it.” You approach your significant other, and say, “You know, I’ve been thinking about how WE can make our relationship better. And, I’ve come up with a list of things that YOU need to do.”
 
Does anybody have a clue how well that approach would go down with your SO??
 
And, in the inevitable heated argument that follows, you keep telling your significant other about everything she does wrong that really ticks you off, and how her negative behavior really offends your delicate sensibilities. As a result, she should EXPECT condescension, insults, and generally disrespectful responses because, well, she expressed herself “inappropriately”, and thus, deserves your responses.
 
Unfortunately, so, in too many cases, goes this forum.
 
All of the “rules of etiquette” that some want to impose on OPs, should absolutely apply to forum members replying to the post(s). You shouldn’t get a “free pass” to insult, condescend to, or be disrespectful to someone simply because you don’t like how they came across in their posts.
 
Of course, I don’t expect very many people to agree with this. Then again, the divorce rate is kinda high………….

Hello Earwax ,
 
Yeah simple is cool too ...I wish I knew how to do it
 
When the $hit hits the fan around here , I sometimes have a little scene in my head that helps me deal with all the confusion ...
I make believe that I'm on the Saloon set off a John Wayne Movie while they are filming a Classic John Wayne Saloon Fight Scene....
Punches are flying from all directions , all the furniture is getting all broken up on peoples heads, the whole place is getting trashed , people seem to be enjoying themselves during the scuffle  and when the fight is over .
 
Nobody got hurt and every body is still friends
 
Here's a possible thought to consider on how energy has movement and lot's of power even on a social level ... 
once again using this , 
Newtons Third law :
When one body exerts a force on a second body, the second body simultaneously exerts a force equal in magnitude and opposite in direction on the first body. 
 
When something new comes from Cakewalk that borders on Revolutionary , it may trigger a bit of resistance and confusion among some of the ranks ..myself included 
These changes may have created a few choice examples of some aspects of Newtons Third Law on a few levels here on the forum.
Including the whole atmosphere of the social and business end of communications from both ends including the customer and the Company ...
Thankfully , I'm grateful the software is always Great and all this other Jazz is just like a passing cloud in the sky..
 
all the best ,
 
Kenny  

It really would be nice to make things more positive, but the recurring theme here among users is that Cakewalk - which is now a Gibson product - has customer service that is, well, non-existent. You can't call, you can't email, and when you have a problem the expectation is that you fix it yourself. 
 
Here's my experience:
 
I have an ongoing issue with TTS-1 crashing the playlist. Cakewalk knows this, I know it, I've been dealing with it for several months now, and sadly no one is interested in helping. Because I have over 200 tracks formatted for Sonar, using only instruments from Command Center, and playing these live using Sonar Platinum, it would be exceeding difficult to consider moving to Ableton or a different platform. And most everything else in Platinum works fine, but...
 

When Dean Capper (who was terrific, btw) was there, he began working on this problem, and I sent him all of the error logs that occurred so they could work on them. I had a 3-week break from playing shows in July, and was promised multiple times (Mike in Customer Support) that they would set up a phone appointment and call to try, once again, to determine what the problem was. No call. As a result,Friday night's show there were 3 playlist crashes that required a complete restart of Win10. Then I could usually jump back into the playlist and go on, however there was one song that required me to launch separately from the playlist before it would executeWhen a solo entertainer has dead air for any period of time, nothing good happens, as you can imagine. I can't believe Cakewalk is happy to sell lifetime upgrades, but give no service at all in return.
 
Please, I implore whomever at Cakewalk would read this not to ignore this customer yet again - either let me know that it can't be fixed without some kind of major rewrite and I should go to a different platform, or help me with this problem, please. Mostly, though, I'd just appreciate hearing from someone with status. Again, no high marks for customer service and communication these days, guys.
 
 
Rick Krieger
rwirieger@yahoo.com
941-961-5252

Anderton
This forum is supposed to be about how to get the most out of SONAR. For it to be wonderful, all that's needed is for people to remain true to the mission statement.

I realize this is months late, but:  You're a great role model in this regard, Craig.  Always respectful when you disagree, and unfailingly positive.

groove

Anderton
This forum is supposed to be about how to get the most out of SONAR. For it to be wonderful, all that's needed is for people to remain true to the mission statement.

I realize this is months late, but:  You're a great role model in this regard, Craig.  Always respectful when you disagree, and unfailingly positive.

That's very kind of you. I could always do better, but the reality is that the vast majority people on this forum are worthy of respect so I'm not giving them anything they don't deserve. (And that includes the ones who have issues with SONAR, because they often contribute very useful bug reports or drive improvements.)
 
As far as I'm concerned, in this forum we are all peers who want to express ourselves musically. There are so many people here who give their time and expertise to help others in that quest. To me music is non-denominationally sacred.
 
SONAR is a piece of software, but the people who use it are what give it life. 
 
 

Man, that is the truth.  I seldom post because I spend most of my time here reading and capturing hints and tips that always help me with Sonar Platinum and very often lead me to new ways to enjoy the program.  Please don't take my usual silence as negative.  I appreciate all you people more than I could ever say.   That is worth its weight in gold alone.  The many possibilities of this software is absolutely tremendous.  Your guidance has made it so much easier to enjoy.  Thank you for your efforts and for being willing to share and help.

Anderton
 
SONAR is a piece of software, but the people who use it are what give it life. 
 
 

I think this is spot on 

i feel there should be NO directive on what kind of mood the forum should have.

i want to hear PURE honesty.  why not?   i mean who is so sensitive that you can't hear  someone's gripes?
 
I hate filters.

Unfiltered honesty doesn't work in social situations. It's a sure way for things to descend into chaos.