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2018/09/20 14:10:42
vladasyn
I am wondering when Cakewalk with catch up with new technologies. There also apps that use artificial intelligence to fill song with drum tracks and even create melodies and chords. What can Cakewalk offer in the near future? 
 
https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/26/16936662/logic-pro-x-update-smart-tempo-chromaverb-namm
 
https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/31/17777008/artificial-intelligence-taryn-southern-amper-music
 
 
2018/09/20 14:34:57
LJB
Other than all the times Cakewalk was WAY AHEAD of other DAWs, such as 64bit support, Clip Gain, ARA integration, 64bit and 32bit VST bridging to name a few, I ask you this: "artificial intelligence to fill song with drums.." Is that good or bad? Does it make your music more unique or more homogenized?

Erm.. I'll pass thanks.
2018/09/20 14:41:26
tlw
Logic’s tempo detection isn’t infallible and often needs sorting out by hand in the same way pretty much every DAW does it by allowing you to adjust transient markers and phrase length etc. Sonar/Cakewalk has had ways to detect audio tempo for quite some time, maybe you didn’t notice them.

I use Logic and think Sonar/Cakewalk handles MIDI better in many ways and Logic has annoyances of its own like every DAW does. Logic’s drummer instrument (a kind if built-in jamstix) is good though.
2018/09/20 15:06:03
a13xhp
No DAW is perfect and the thing is Cakewalk is free now. Logic Pro cost 200$ and you have to previously buy one of these overpriced but good looking Mac. All in all, I expect big plans from Bandlab regarding their Cakewalk acquisition, but I am asking first for a new forum, a new website and to stop this "in the air" feeling. Then, we can ask for new features like that.
2018/09/20 15:09:29
msmcleod
For 
vladasyn
I am wondering when Cakewalk with catch up with new technologies. There also apps that use artificial intelligence to fill song with drum tracks and even create melodies and chords. What can Cakewalk offer in the near future? 
 
https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/26/16936662/logic-pro-x-update-smart-tempo-chromaverb-namm
 
https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/31/17777008/artificial-intelligence-taryn-southern-amper-music
 
 
 
tlw
Logic’s tempo detection isn’t infallible and often needs sorting out by hand in the same way pretty much every DAW does it by allowing you to adjust transient markers and phrase length etc. Sonar/Cakewalk has had ways to detect audio tempo for quite some time, maybe you didn’t notice them.

I use Logic and think Sonar/Cakewalk handles MIDI better in many ways and Logic has annoyances of its own like every DAW does. Logic’s drummer instrument (a kind if built-in jamstix) is good though.


+1 to this.
 
There's plenty of 3rd party software that will integrate with CbB, so I don't see BandLab spending resource on developing non-core features that are better implemented in 3rd party software.
 
If you need a drummer, Jamstix is a great choice, although the learning curve is pretty steep. Combined with AD2, it's fantastic.
 
For really quick results, I use AIR Strike 2 - stick the Jam mode on full, then play around with pitchbend and modulation to alter the intensity and complexity. The sounds aren't AD2 quality though, so I usually only use Strike2 at the early writing stage, then move over to Jamstix or just play my own drum track.
 
For generating melodies, RapidComposer is a good choice. Again, a steep learning curve, but with time & patience it can generate some ideas to build upon. 
 
LiquidNotes is a fantastic tool for developing existing ideas, offering alternative chord progressions and melodies. DAW integration isn't that good though.
 
Finally, Band in a Box has it's uses for developing ideas quickly. Dragging/dropping tracks into CbB is a breeze. The styles are a bit limited in genre (even though there's 100's of them), but if MOR / Country / Jazz is your thing, it does the job well.
 
2018/09/20 16:06:57
vladasyn
I have Strike 2 installed but never got to use it- the learning curve was significant. I used Logic back in the day when it was PC and Mac (version 4.5 and 5.5), can't tell much about it now days- back then it was pretty good. Addictive Drums good for rock music, but not for EDM. I usually would use Rap and Hip Hop MIDI patterns to make Industrial to Dubstep or groovy beats, but AD only offers this generic rock drum kit sound- no synthetic clean EDM drums with bright snare and short kick. It just does not work. And I did buy the Pop and electronic machines expansions- the machines expansion sounds awful. I have Roland V-Concert electronic drum set which also does not offer any EDM sounds, but I can try to make something. So we do have live drummer once in a while, but most of the time me and the partner want to sit down and play with software/hardware synths and jam to the groove, we dont have time to make beats. There many many many options to make beats. I have several Kontakt instruments that do just that. I have Maschine and full collection of expansions, it just still too hard to turn on. Too many issues. With Maschine you have to create your drum patterns first, then arrange them in the song, then you can open Sonar and make it control Maschine software- this is too much. I want to open DAW, open plugin and press play and may be "Next" and have patterns just playing. And if Artificial intelligence could create beats for me based on me saying, "Dubstep", or "Groovy" or "Funk", or "Rap" or "Trance" and it would give me 10 minutes of drum patterns that would change every 16 measures with fills every 8th and 16th measure, I would be the most happy producer. Yes, I can do it BUT with AD, I have to spend half hour looking for right sound for the drum kit, then for right patterns, then copy them in to the track and at the end it sounds bad. I have song in production right now that we made drums for "just for now" and I built sound around it and now song sounds bad because drums sound bad. I once had a client paying me to create demo for their software synths, and I did but I used AD drums and he turned down the entire demo saying that drums sound too generic. So. Need some entity that would populate track for me in styles I like, learn from my habits, likes and dislikes, know what patterns I look for and just put them there. I ask simple: 16 measures then change, 10 minutes at a time. 
2018/09/20 16:27:38
bdickens
So they say.

But then I'd have to pay twice too much to buy a Mac.

No thanks.
2018/09/20 17:52:34
abacab
When I watched a demo of EZDrummer 2, it seemed capable of a lot of that with "Tap 2 Find". 
 
You first can match a pattern in the library by tapping along with part of your song, and then the song creator gives you multiple variations for all sections of your song structure to select from (intro, verse, chorus, bridge, fill, ending, etc), that you can drag into an arranger timeline.  You can customize everything from there.
 
Then you can drag the entire drum track into your DAW, or export as MIDI.  That would give you the flexibility to use another drum sampler for playback with custom drum samples more to your liking.  You would only need to set that kit up once, and save as a track template in your DAW that you could import for future projects.
 
Don't know how the patterns are for EDM, as the demo was a rock track.
 
Drum tracks in 5 min - EZDrummer 2 tutorial
https://youtu.be/YEJH3WM6Oz8
2018/09/20 18:48:11
slartabartfast
There has been considerable research done over the last couple of decades in machine generated composition. It is now possible for the machine to create original pieces in the style of various composers and styles without the intervention of a human at all, except to provide sample scores to the robot. Just wait a bit, and you will have software that will do the whole job for you.
 
2018/09/20 19:55:38
Brian Walton
vladasyn
I am wondering when Cakewalk with catch up with new technologies. There also apps that use artificial intelligence to fill song with drum tracks and even create melodies and chords. What can Cakewalk offer in the near future? 
 
https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/26/16936662/logic-pro-x-update-smart-tempo-chromaverb-namm
 
https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/31/17777008/artificial-intelligence-taryn-southern-amper-music
 
 


I didn't read the all the details, but Cakewalk released auto tempo Extraction/mapping two years ago.  March 2016.  Thanks to Melodyne ARA integrations.  
 
What I did read seemed similar to this "old" feature.  
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