Rex, like you, I' too happen to prefer V-Vocal. I've been using Melodyne for years too and think it's an amazing program. But V-Vocal works fine for me and I can dance around in it so easy, I would be lost without it.
 
That said, for very difficult jobs or for people that really need help, Melodyne wins without question. And trust me, I come from the same camp as you and have V-Vocal installed from an old version of Sonar just so I can still use it.
 
Here's the other thing to consider....your source. Though I don't consider myself any kind of good singer, I have very good pitch and sing better than the average hack. That means a guy like me will not need much by way of a vocal pitch correction product. So I in my opinion, the uses for Melodyne and V-Vocal will depend on who your "subject" is. :)
 
The Melodyne editor is sickness and it should be mandatory that everyone has it "just because." It's a really powerful piece of software. BUT....it and the learning curve that comes with it is not for everyone.
 
That said, my advice to you would be...if you have uninstalled older versions of Sonar and you have purchased X3 which no longer has V-Vocal in it, just install V-Vocal from one of the older versions of Sonar and it will work perfectly in X3. Whether Melodyne is better or not wouldn't really matter to me if I were you. What matters is you having what you want as well as what works for you. I use a lot of stuff over here that would make people laugh at me. When something works for me and I get great results, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. Use what works for you and stick to your guns.
 
Sometimes we are set in our ways and happy with what we have or what we know even though it may be primitive or not quite with the times. I don't think there is a fault with that because we really can't put a price on happiness or ease of use. AND, if something simple does the trick while saving you time, or a big learning curve so be it, ya know?
 
I had a guy try to sell me a Behringer X32 console tonight because he thought it would make things simpler and save me money. I elected to purchase a console that was the price of a small cottage instead. Was it a bit overkill? Definitely...but it was what *I* wanted and MY happiness is what's important....as long as it doesn't hurt anyone of course. :) Good luck.
 
-Danny

Dega

CakeAlexS

Sanderxpander
I have three Twitter followers by the way.

I have 4!!!! ;)

Twitter is a Fad . . . only amateur texters use it . . .

Some thought Myspace would be gone by now, I still have a few hundred followers there too. It ain't dead yet...
 
Amateur texters have three Twitter followers... Sounds about right.
 
I was also the most played artist on indieland.com and overnight it disappeared and remember amiestreet.com? One of my songs that i tuned on that dead "amateur" v-vocal had 65 thousand listens.
 
So be snarky, whatever.... 
 
A  good artist doesn't need a hundred different scales built into a program to do all the work for them, all they need is a good ear to know where to place the note.

You know what David Cameron said about too many tweets.

God like genius, your ears must be superior to no one. Glad you have had success, sadly some of us amateurs had to make do with record sales. Then again pitch correction was never really around in the days you could make actual money... Seemed to be all about a good song and performance for some reason.

Now have three twitter followers I'm afraid, one tweeted that I needed Viagra so had to report them for telling the truth.

I just wish I had legions of adoring fans and groupies like you do so I could make use of them. Then again I am rather fat around the tummy.

RexRed

Dega

CakeAlexS

Sanderxpander
I have three Twitter followers by the way.

I have 4!!!! ;)

Twitter is a Fad . . . only amateur texters use it . . .

Some thought Myspace would be gone by now, I still have a few hundred followers there too. It ain't dead yet...
 
Amateur texters have three Twitter followers... Sounds about right.
 
I was also the most played artist on indieland.com and overnight it disappeared and remember amiestreet.com? One of my songs that i tuned on that dead "amateur" v-vocal had 65 thousand listens.
 
So be snarky, whatever.... 
 
A  good artist doesn't need a hundred different scales built into a program to do all the work for them, all they need is a good ear to know where to place the note.
 
 
 

 
 
 
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So, why not take this opportunity to let you fellow cake forum folks have a listen?

I'm still wondering what stretching/timing option V-Vocal has that Melodyne doesn't. Could anyone enlighten me? I've never missed anything in Melodyne and I didn't like V-Vocal switching its view when I went to the timing tools.

I would like to talk about the "industry standard". I remember selling computers at Sears. I was quite good at selling them.
 
In all the time I worked there I sold quite a few PC computers but never sold one of the Apple computers we carried.
 
Yet i had people coming in and telling me that Pro-tools was the industry standard. BUT, I stuck with Cakewalk instead. Now today i am VERY proficient at Cakewalk while Protools users are at a total loss and have quite a learning curve to understand Cakewalk and I hear the Apple updates to Protools are not so hot these days.
 
I have had people tell me that the Iphone is the "industry standard" but I would rather have an android phone. Why? because it is less proprietary and i can't stand the way the itunes app works. Yet the itunes app is supposedly the "industry standard"...
 
The Android phones are now outselling the iphone and Google Play is now outselling Itunes.
 
I am also proficient at Windows troubleshooting because I did not listen to Apple users who told me that Apple computers were the "industry standard". All great apps work on Apple computers they said, right? Perhaps that was the case once, but I follow my own instinct. Everyone has a "smart phone" usurping their creative content making time. but I'll take my PC any day over one of those err, smart phone fads... You can make your jokes all you want, fan boys and twerkers. Are Apple computers a fad? Maybe not, but it sure as heck seems that way.
 
Once I went to buy some earbuds and looked at a pair of Apple's earbuds. They were fifty bucks!, and on the outside of the package (a white box) they came in, guess what? Apple did not even provide their users with the frequency response to the earbuds. Every single other brand that Bestbuy sold provided the frequency response and has done so for many years. Apparently it only matters the white box and the actual performance of the earbuds is of no concern whatsoever.
 
Guess how much I paid for my ear buds? 5 dollars (plus 5 dollars shipping), Quite a deal if you order more than one pair.... and guess what brand they are? Panasonic. Best earbuds I have ever owned. Now talk to me about fads and industry standards and then explain to me why you are HERE on THIS forum and not on the protools forum...
 
:)
 
V-vocal lives....

In this case, it's a flawed analogy because V-Vocal has been discontinued and Melodyne has not. 
 
Also, being an industry standard is no guarantee of superiority. VHS vs. Beta is the classic example. Something might become a "standard" due to price, convenience, or superior distribution or marketing.

RexRed
I usually have two or three V-vocal waves in my lead vocal. I do not mix these down before mastering. For that bounce to clips is just more re-sampling of my wave.  I don't need to normalize prior to v-vocal unless my wave clips in v-vocal. I don't need to manually use the process of gain DB on any waves because i use V-vocal for all gain tweaks. So in essence i can use v-vocal to completely sculpt my wave and do it all in only one re-sampling of my wave. I am not really an audio purest but this particular ideal appeals greatly to me.

Not quite accurate from a technical standpoint. No re-sampling occurs during processing with V-Vocal or Melodyne; the sample rate remains unchanged (nor does either one oversample as part of its DSP processing, as far as I know). However, DSP processes are applied. Any DSP process, whether in Melodyne or V-Vocal, manipulates the wave; when you switch over to, for example, the Formant window in V-Vocal you are applying a separate DSP process that does its own alteration of the wave that's independent of the DSP applied in the Pitch window. 

Yup... It's dead Jim.

Sanderxpander
I'm still wondering what stretching/timing option V-Vocal has that Melodyne doesn't. Could anyone enlighten me? I've never missed anything in Melodyne and I didn't like V-Vocal switching its view when I went to the timing tools.

Agreed that Melodyne's stretching tools are extremely well-implemented. 
 
But again, I don't see why any of this matters because both V-Vocal and Melodyne are available to the user. I tried to steer this thread in a more applications-oriented direction regarding which tool excelled at which functions so people wouldn't have to find out each program's "sweet spot" through trial and error, but that didn't seem to go anywhere. Maybe that's because you have to be equally proficient at both programs in order to give an informed opinion, and it seems quite a few people have gravitated to one of the two options and chosen to become proficient in their program of choice.