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  • The End of V-Vocal? (p.14)
2014/07/12 20:37:43
Splat
@Mike Oh BTW as explained previously I always clone the original track to be processed, process it and then finally bounce down to another track. I then archive off the first two tracks, however before do this I play the original and the final track together. If the sound phases or is identical it's good enough for me. So far haven't had an issue.
2014/07/12 20:52:41
John T
The worst case in those screen shots - 300-ish samples - would be a timing error of under 8ms at 44.1k, and even less at higher sample rates. It looks like a bug that's worth fixing, of course, but it's below the threshold of perception.
 
Has anyone had problems with Melodyne producing audibly out-of-time results?
2014/07/12 21:27:00
RexRed
CakeAlexS
@Mike known issue (on X3E?)
http://forum.cakewalk.com...aspx?m=3009637&p=1

I wonder of vvocal does the same and it is a RegionFx problem?

Ta

V-vocal  does not have any slight lag or jump ahead in the timing of the processed signals in X3e, I have been using it steady from sun up to sun down (other than checking here for new posts, eating and sleeping) the last two weeks.
 
I am currently working on a 17 minute song with 16 vocal tracks, other than an occasional but rare freeze-up everything is stable and fine. 
2014/07/12 21:40:22
Splat
Nor does Melodyne perceptually. Have you performed the tests like in the screenshots? Put an untreated track next to a treated track does it phase like melodyne? Bet it does!
 
Anyway none of this is really that important... In the real world it makes absolutely no difference. But of course would be nice if it gets fixed.
2014/07/12 22:26:56
RexRed

I just did a test, V-vocal was off by two samples in 24 bit :) Sorry they are so small i had them in take lanes.
2014/07/12 23:39:12
The Maillard Reaction
FWIW, The stand alone version of Melodyne Editor 2.1.2 does just as good a job of messing up the timing as the version you use inside your DAW. The rendered results ebb and flow before and after the original wave file.
 
I was not aware that Melodyne did not work correctly in the first 4 versions of SONAR X3.
 
I just know that Melodyne Editor has some general problems and that if you make the effort to learn how to use it you'll probably be able to figure out what they are.
 
 
Launch Melodyne Editor 2.1.2
Open file.
Center Pitch.
Save as.
Compare timing with original.
2014/07/13 00:29:46
dubdisciple
Yes, it has problems but I have encountered few software programs that don't.  If this was designed to be a real time application I would be concerned.  This type of issue is kind of like the mother-in-law dropping by with a white glove just to make sure she shows up her her daughter in law by guaranteeing she finds dirt.  It's very rare when it is audibly off.  If I don't actually hear a problem, going out of my way to test for a problem indicates I have too much time on my hands.  Maybe if i was beta testing the product I might go that far but searching for non-audible sample deviation is as the kids would say today just "being a hater".
2014/07/13 00:31:45
Splat
Same behaviour as the VST i.e. 8ms or less?
If so we could put this down as nothing to do with Sonar.
Cheers...
2014/07/13 00:50:54
vmw
I haven't read the whole thread so excuse me if I am going over old ground but Sony Creative Software also do this marketing  technique of get "super master" with you purchase. 1 or 2 version later it disappears. You are then left with older songs that tell you plugins are missing. These days I take no notice of the smoke and mirrors of new 3rd party features. As you know it will only survive one or 2 versions and to continue you have to buy the full version. Of course you can use extracted VST from the install files :) Don't think I am the first person on this is board to think of this course of action.
2014/07/13 00:59:02
RexRed
vmw
I haven't read the whole thread so excuse me if I am going over old ground but Sony Creative Software also do this marketing  technique of get "super master" with you purchase. 1 or 2 version later it disappears. You are then left with older songs that tell you plugins are missing. These days I take no notice of the smoke and mirrors of new 3rd party features. As you know it will only survive one or 2 versions and to continue you have to buy the full version. Of course you can use extracted VST from the install files :) Don't think I am the first person on this is board to think of this course of action.


 I had a big problem with the switch from 32 bit Dimension to  64 bit, I rely heavily on Dimension pro sounds in my songs. I had to go in and copy and paste each midi track into a new Dimension instrument and reroute the sounds. This meant i had to have a 32 bit machine side by side to my 64 bit machine because I do not give detailed patch info in my track names. It took me months to do it for all of my songs. I wish the 64 bit version had been backward compatible. :)
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