Yesterday I made an entirely new song called "Let's Fly Away"and used V-vocal in some rather unconventional ways.
 
I when into the cakewalk contend and found a drum beat Rex file I liked and threw that into the song with a few similar variations to jazz things up.
 
Then I found some bass section in the content library. Unfortunately the sections I found and liked were either all centered around a one pitch riff. We all know a one pitch riff gets tiring after less than a minute.
 
So I used the pitch correction tool and raised and lowered a few logical sections. Then I used the formant tool, even though it did not seem to need it, I raised and lowered the formant accordingly.
 
I was reminded of the programs that use slices but what was nice about V-vocal is I use it so much I was really familiar with its interface so editing the loop sections were a breeze. After dickering with the pitch and raising and lowering the various sections I then hit the auto pitch just to see how i did and it shifted the edits i made ever so slightly.
 
Then I bounced the edited v-vocal bass sections to track and I was able to chop them up and i use them where i wanted.
 
I used three bass sections like this, one was in a different pitch altogether off by a half tone.
 
I am sending along these tips because this forum has been good to me (though not always nice) and I have learned some VERY valuable things here from you all.
 
One part of me says that these things I have learned are "trade secrets" but since others here share info with me freely I have chosen to be open sourced about the things I have learned and contribute.
 
BTW I really liked the Roland video that was shared about the middle voice. The guy reminded me a little of Frankie Valley (someone I admire).
 
I have other things I would like to talk about here but to keep true to the forum I will post them in another thread.
 
My advice is don't try and use V-vocal and Melodyne in the same song. I have had bad results trying that. They don't agree with each other on my machine. Pick one or the other. You may have a different experience than i did but I got files corrupted and had to figure out exactly which one it was. This does not happen when I use V-vocal alone. Also having Melodyne clips in my project the waves would sometimes disappear in V-vocal. I have a fairly new ATI PCIe graphics card that I paid over $500 for so I doubt it is that. Once again I think it is Melodyne...
 
All those fancy blobs come at a cost. (hehe)

I can't wait for the end of this thread!  Its clear V-Vocal is not going anywhere. It contenues to work and some say better then ever. No, it wont be shipped with new versions of Sonar but like so many abandoned plugins it is still viable and useful. When the time comes when it will no longer work something will have superseded it anyway. 

RexRed
Then I found some bass section in the content library. Unfortunately the sections I found and liked were either all centered around a one pitch riff. We all know a one pitch riff gets tiring after less than a minute.

 
The iZotope Radius transposition algorithm is what I usually use for transpositions. Also don't forget about Pitch markers. 
 

Also having Melodyne clips in my project the waves would sometimes disappear in V-vocal. I have a fairly new ATI PCIe graphics card that I paid over $500 for so I doubt it is that. Once again I think it is Melodyne...
 

If you're into comping, make sure the Melodyne clip isn't muted.

dubdisciple
Craig...how does Vocalign compare with plural eyes?

One is a is a plug in and the other is a free standing program.

But aren't you British?

This thread is still open...
 
If you do not want to participate in this thread please don't read it.  Your attempts to close this thread are "off topic" and also "spam". If you do not like V-vocal then start your own Melodyne thread. Otherwise please respect those who would like to participate one way or another in this topic. 

mike_mccue

dubdisciple
Craig...how does Vocalign compare with plural eyes?

One is a is a plug in and the other is a free standing program.

thanks for that lovely dose of useless dickery

The implications of the two different workflows seem perfectly obvious.
 
 
Maybe this will help:
 
Batch processing of sync sound versus the on the fly flexibility of ambiance matching while recording an ADR session.
 
 
While both products match sync, one product is made explicitly for syncing Automated Dialog Replacement performances while the other product evolved from, and has a few advanced features for automating the replacement of, the very same audio recorded at the very same time on two different audio recording systems. A.k.a. Double System Sync Sound.
 
 
edited grammar

 
 

RexRed
I have been told "officially" that V-Vocal is done and Melodyne has replaced it.
 
I just wanted the powers that be to know I cannot make my music with Melodyne as it is. The way V-vocal stretches audio I could not imagine not having that feature.
 
I have read reviews online about how Melodyne tunes vocals better than v-vocal. Melodyne does NOT tune better than V-vocal.
 
Melodyne strips the life out of my vocals when I try and tune with it even on a modest setting. On some vocals Melodyne does okay but then I still have to bounce the clip to track and open it in V-vocal so why bother? I know all the tricks in V-vocal to making the pitch on my vocals perfect and Melodyne cannot even approach this level of quality with such ease. 
 
I expect that one day if Melodyne is developed it will one day come up to the level of V-vocal but I think it will take 5 years before that happens, if ever.
 
I don't know the politics of why that V-vocal has not been developed in so long and why it was replaced by an (i have to say it.) inferior product. 
 
I suspect that people at Cakewalk development have just not spent much time in V-vocal (editing), if they had spent time editing in V-vocal, as I have perhaps easily over a thousand hours in the program, they would never have even for a moment considered not including it in Sonar X3 and all subsequent versions of Cakewalk.
 
I don't mean this as an insult, I absolutely LOVE Cakewalk Sonar X3 as I have been using Cakewalk since Cakewalk for DOS.
 
I will not be switching over to Melodyne in the near future and I think it is a real pity that by now V-vocal has not been developed to include the smart tools and smart grid areas of Sonar.
 
Melodyne does some cool things that V-vocal does not but V-Vocal is still a superior product. The things that Melodyne has over V-vocal I may never use but on a rare occasion but the things that V-vocal has over melodyne I use incessantly.
 
It would have been nice if Cakewalk's transient markers had been added to V-vocal and also Cakewalks quantize features.
 
I hate to say it but someone has really dropped the ball on V-vocal and now you are tethered to (I assume) a third party company Melodyne that has a less user friendly product with a clunky buggy interface. Yes V-vocal is buggy too but it still totally stands the test of time.
 
I tried Melodyne when it was a stand alone plugin and it was terrible then and it is still terrible now even with it more closely integrated into Cakewalk. It is ALSO buggier than V-vocal, I was waiting for Melodyne to corrupt my entire Cakewalk project file... 
 
My music would totally suffer without V-vocal, V-vocal preserves my music's fidelity while offering powerful, accurate and a quick full range of easy to use editing tools.
 
V-vocal still gets my vote hands down. Whoever says it does not I would like to know why. They don't know what they are talking about, they are amateur editors. Melodyne is a fad at this point to me and nothing more. V-vocal is the real deal people. I don't say that with a lot of development Melodyne cannot come up to the level of V-Vocal but I don't have the time to wait when I already have a product that gives me the finished tracks that I need. 
 
I would suggest Cakewalk developers reconsider NOT dumping V-vocal so fast. Bring V-vocal back and develop it, add Melodyne's extra features to V-vocal not the other way around. V-Vocal is a rock solid (a little buggy) foundation for wave editing.
 
 

 

RexRed
This thread is still open...
 
If you do not want to participate in this thread please don't read it.  Your attempts to close this thread are "off topic" and also "spam". If you do not like V-vocal then start your own Melodyne thread. Otherwise please respect those who would like to participate one way or another in this topic. 

Have a sense of humour...

BTW I just read the original post and you mentioned the word "Melodyne" 18 times, so to deem it a pure VVocal thread is a little prone to exaggeration. I think you were the one comparing throughout so really it's very much on topic... If you are dishing this sort of stuff out please don't expect not to take it back.

Cheers...