I tried Melodyne and didn't like the workflow much.
I already had V-Vocal from earlier versions of SONAR, and rely on it, and understand how to use it effectively.
I've used it to tweak vocals, and monophonic bass lines, and in one case take an audio bass line and extrapolate MIDI notes. Worked great.
V-Vocal works great in X3.
 
You bet I have no interesting in listening to folks say "V-Vocal is dead", and telling me I should just accept it and use the inferior product that comes bundled with SONAR X3. (Do not compare V-Vocal (free, bundled) with the Melodyne Editor (you have to upgrade to it)).
 
I do feel sad that V-Vocal is basically only available to folks who already have it from earlier versions of SONAR... I hear R-Mix was pretty cool too, although I never used it. 
 
If anything, this whole journey reminds us that you have to take the promo material for a new version with a big grain of salt. Bundled extras don't really matter. They might be fantastic, but there's no guarantee they'll be around in the next version. It's the built-in features that matter. *Cough* take lanes *cough*. 
 
 
That said, I love V-Vocal. It allowed me to produce music and songs that would not have been possible for me to do at the time, without it.
 
 

I'll try this again.
 
It does not have to be an either or situation, between V-Vocal and Melodyne.
 
I happen to have retained V-Vocal, AND have Melodyne from X3 (did not do the upgrade though).
 
If someone is happy and productive using EITHER ONE OR BOTH, that is a great place to be, and what makes perfect sense for one person has no bearing whatsoever on what makes perfect DIFFERENT sense to another person.
 
So, this continued debate is just rehashing the same stuff over and over again, in my opinion.
 
I use both, and will continue to do so.  Others will use V-Vocal only, while additional folks will use Melodyne only, and yet another group will use both like me, and then again there will be some folks that don't like either one, and will poke sticks at their vocalists until they get it right.
 
Whatever makes sense to YOU, is all that matters.
 
Bob Bone
 

Rex..not one person in this thread said you must use melodyne. I think it is pretty much consensus that that there is no reason to stop using the one you prefer. Vvocal is dead in the sense that it no longer is offered and is highly unlikely to be offered.

stickman393
You bet I have no interesting in listening to folks say "V-Vocal is dead"

 
It's not "dead," it's discontinued and there is no evidence it will be developed further. However, Windows will be developed further. At some point - maybe next year, maybe next decade - those two will diverge sufficiently that V-Vocal may not work any more.
 

I should just accept it and use the inferior product that comes bundled with SONAR X3. (Do not compare V-Vocal (free, bundled) with the Melodyne Editor (you have to upgrade to it).

 
For users who have had reliability issues with V-Vocal, Melodyne (even the $99 version bundled with Sonar) is not seen as an inferior product. Some people also feel it sounds better. Inferiority or superiority is perceived through the lens of what a particular user wants.
 

I do feel sad that V-Vocal is basically only available to folks who already have it from earlier versions of SONAR...

 
It doesn't make much practical sense to license a legacy product that the manufacturer (Roland) no longer supports. However the ability for existing users who like V-Vocal to continue using it is a plus. Nothing has been inserted in Sonar's code to "break" V-Vocal and force users not to use it.
 

If anything, this whole journey reminds us that you have to take the promo material for a new version with a big grain of salt. Bundled extras don't really matter. They might be fantastic, but there's no guarantee they'll be around in the next version.

 
V-Vocal has been around for eight years, and it still works. It seems incongruous to say that "bundled extras don't really matter" if you've been getting usage out of V-Vocal for eight years, say you love it, and can still continue to use it. In terms of longevity, very few music software products have remained in the same basic state for eight years.

Sonitus plugins have been around even longer, are unlikely be developed any more but are still useful

bitflipper

Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
 
Nope, all fixes came from Japan. 
Our move to ARA and Melodyne was done well before we left Roland. V-Vocal was already on it's way out. That's all I really know about the issue.

Thanks for that information. So Roland did own the code - not some third party - and just decided it wasn't worth pursuing. Seems like a waste of a good start. 
 
Was the TTS-1 a similar scenario? By that, I mean developed in-house at Roland and never touched again? The datestamp on the DLL is 2010 and the internal version is 1.0.2, so it's had at least one fix release since it was first bundled with SONAR in 2004. But after 10 years it still can't handle 88.2.
 

Yup, similar scenario for the rest of the Roland Synths and FX.

dubdisciple
Sonitus plugins have been around even longer, are unlikely be developed any more but are still useful

Actually that's a different situation, because Cakewalk owns them and I believe has done some updates over the years for compatibility (although not to the GUI, so the changes aren't visible). I asked Cakewalk if I could rely on Sonitus plug-ins existing in Sonar for the foreseeable future, and they said yes.
 
Not that you asked, but the VC-64 is yet another situation. Cakewalk has tried hard to track down Kjaerhus in order to update the VC-64, which people love (myself included). However the Kjaerhus website is down, and despite efforts to find him, he's disappeared and no one has any idea what happened to him. Without obtaining rights to modify the code or purchase it outright, from a legal standpoint Cakewalk can't do anything about the VC-64.

Craig..good point. They are very different situations.

BlixYZ
I should have mentioned that i upgraded to editor almost immediately.  If memory serves me correctly, however, the biggest difference is the ability to do polyphonic work.  
 
Melodyne corrects as subtly as you like, and more transparently than vvocal (because of the phasing issues).  Although melodyne is less flexible in several ways, it's designed the way it is to corrrect in thee most realistic and transparent way possible.  This it does well.  The one area that vvocal beats it is in it's ability to draw straight lines and do crazy, radical changes.   both do timing adjustments equally well.   vvocal "could been a contender" if it's phasing issue was resolved.  also it was a constant source of instability on my system(s).

I think this is part of the issue...

I too continue to use VV... But from what I understand, it's because I can't upgrade Melodyne to editor version and some of the features I need to accomplish the level of work I get from VV only come with that..... Not just the polyphony, but there are more adjustments available in editor than in the light version packaged with Sonar...

As others have mentioned, VV is a Roland product and they are famous for coming up with great ideas and quickly abandoning them... Look at their synth lines!

So while I too remain a VV user, I look forward to the day I can upgrade to editor and discover for myself if it can do what I get from VV... As others have informed me...

So I think we also have to remember here that VV is a complete version and Melodyne is only a light version!

Keni

Anderton

dubdisciple
Sonitus plugins have been around even longer, are unlikely be developed any more but are still useful

Actually that's a different situation, because Cakewalk owns them and I believe has done some updates over the years for compatibility (although not to the GUI, so the changes aren't visible). I asked Cakewalk if I could rely on Sonitus plug-ins existing in Sonar for the foreseeable future, and they said yes.
 
Not that you asked, but the VC-64 is yet another situation. Cakewalk has tried hard to track down Kjaerhus in order to update the VC-64, which people love (myself included). However the Kjaerhus website is down, and despite efforts to find him, he's disappeared and no one has any idea what happened to him. Without obtaining rights to modify the code or purchase it outright, from a legal standpoint Cakewalk can't do anything about the VC-64.

Glad to see I'm not the only one who loved the VC-64.  Actually I liked all the Kjaerhus plugs I tried.  I have the Golden Modulator plus the free suite too.  Wish I had picked up more before he vanished!  Hope you are able to track him down sometime and get the VC-64 code.